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Anyone who's looking at these virtual systems is likely a fairly advanced audio nutcase, as I freely admit I am, and it seems we all like to discuss our toy collections with others who share this interest. I've always bought equipment that I liked, simple and aesthetically correct, including the aesthetics of engineering and design philosophy. I've never liked automated goodies such as record changers, automatic turntables, auto-reverse cassette decks, or CD changers. I've never liked lots of buttons and flashing lights. And I've never liked buying features that I won't use.

I tend to assemble a system over a period of about two years and then stick with it for twelve to fifteen years. This is my third such system, completed this summer with the purchase of the Thiel 3.6's, which are my second pair of Thiels. My last system was built around Adcom electronics and Thiel CS2's. This round of upgrades has me owning much nicer equipment than I ever thought I'd be able to afford, thanks to the excellent used marketplaces of eBay and especially AudiogoN.

I've got about $5000 in this system, having bought everything used or drastically on sale. In a way I'm almost grateful that I've never been exposed in person to some of the fantastic systems posted on AudiogoN. I'd like to hear some of them, but can't afford anything beyond brief visits to that rent district. At least after a long day at the office, I can come home, sit in my chair, close my eyes, and lose myself in the music. I must say though that if any of you live in Delaware or Eastern Maryland and would like to invite a guest to hear your system, whether simple or over-the-top, I'd be quite interested. Anyway, click on each item in the system for a little more detail about it.

The most unique thing about my setup is probably the room: my study, music room, and library, which is 16' by 12' with a flat-topped vaulted ceiling about 11' feet high running lengthwise and a dormer 7' x 7' x 7' with my desk, and the equipment in an alcove off to the side. There are lots of books and heavy carpet, so the room is fairly dead acoustically. The audio was planned while the house was being built, so there's a dedicated 20 amp circuit for the system.

There are two really cool custom touches in this room. The equipment cabinet rolls back into a recess set into the dead space under the roof beside the dormer, so no floor space is taken up and everything sits flush with the wall. The cabinet rolls out for access to the cables. Next, the speaker cables are routed through the joists under the floor, and come up right under the speakers, so no cables are visible. It's the cleanest installation I've ever seen, and on a fairly low budget.

The green chair between the speakers is my late night reading station. When I'm reading, I'm not listening critically, and the Thiels are like giant enveloping headphones. At very low volumes they're inaudible in the next room but sitting between them the level is just fine, and I'm happy as a bug in a rug. For serious listening I sit in the highbacked desk comfy chair across the room, within easy reach of the equipment and CD racks. Funny thing I've noticed is that most people have their equipment all the way across the room from where they sit to listen. I like everything close at hand.

The desk chair is about ten feet from the speakers, so the room is right on the edge of being too small for the system, but the high ceiling helps open things up a bit.

The photos I've posted show the equipment rack set into the wall, viewed from the main listening position, the speakers in front of the wall of books viewed from the same spot, and a view of the equipment from from in front of the right speaker.

I've seen some amazingly expensive and impressive systems here on AudiogoN. I'm glad this forum is available to let me see beyond the fairly narrow horizons available here in rural Maryland. I've worked up to this system over thirty years. But no matter how crappy my equipment was, and believe me I had some real junk in the 70's, I always enjoyed the music. I've listened to lots of recordings in lots of places, and try never to lose sight of the fact that the music is what it's all about.
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    • Marsh Sound Design p2000b - line stage preamp
    Solid state Class A line stage preamplifier with balanced input and output plus remote control. Bargain deal via AudiogoN. Upgraded from Adcom GFP-565.
    • Sunfire 300 - power amp
    Bob Carver's original Load Invariant Power Amplifier. Balanced inputs, 300 WRMS at 8 ohms, 600 WRMS at 4 ohms, etc. Bargain deal via AudiogoN. Upgraded from Adcom GFA-585.
    • Thiel Audio CS3.6 - speakers
    Thiel's "3" series moves beyond active equalization to full range purity. Bargain deal via AudiogoN. Upgraded from Thiel CS2's.
    • Denon DCD-1650AR - CD transport
    Denon's bare-bones high end CD player used here for its excellent transport. Bargain deal via eBay. Upgraded from Esoteric P-500.
    • Musical Fidelity A3.24 - D/A converter
    Excellent DAC from renowned British company, known for its wonderful Class A output section. Bargain deal via eBay. Upgraded from Audio Alchemy DDE v1.1.
    • Yamaha T-2 - FM tuner
    Very classy basic black slimline analog FM tuner with red indicator lamps and digital frequency display. Upgraded in 1990 from a Yamaha T-1.
    • ZeroSurge 2R20W
    Rather than use MOV's which deteriorate over time, ZeroSurge simply shunts the surge to ground. This is the "right" way to protect equipment against voltage spikes. The ZeroSurge unit has only one duplex outlet, but it simply goes between the wall outlet and the line cord from the Monster Power unit, whic is used only for its filtration and switching capabilities.
    • Monster Power HTS-2600 - A/C line conditioner
    AC line conditioner and system power switching. Bargain deal via eBay. Upgraded from Adcom ACE-515.
    • Audioquest Granite - speaker cables
    20 ft. pair run invisibly through underfloor joists coming up beneath speakers. Bought new on sale from Audio Advisor. Upgraded from Audioquest Green.
    • Cardas Quadlink 5C - XLR interconnects
    One pair, one meter, for balanced connection between the Marsh and the Sunfire. Bargain deal via AudiogoN. Upgraded from Audioquest Emerald.
    • Cardas Quadlink 5C - RCA interconnects
    Two pairs, one meter each: between DAC & preamp; between tuner and preamp. Bargain deal via AudiogoN. Upgraded from Audioquest Emerald.
    • Kimber AGDL Digital - RCA cable
    RCA solid silver digital cable. Bargain deal via eBay. Upgraded from Cardas High Speed Data.

Comments 6

What is your experience with the Thiel 3.6's?

Thanks,
George

georgios

Owner
I must apologize for not seeing your post for several months. Thanks for the kind words. Music and books definitely trump TV!

robnichols

Who needs TV? Exactly my thoughts! Stereo is way under rated in most homes as compared to the picture box

A very clean and nice system you have construkted. Minimalism is something I myself strive for when looking for components and hate like hell to pay the extra dollars for ins and outs, Bells and whistles that I'll never use or have a need for.

velocityofhue

Hi Rob, who needs flame-o-grams? This is supposed to be a fun hobby, based on fulfillment, not whippings! I'm not sure what Dave did to my DAC, he's a little sketchy about how much he'll divulge, but he upgrades caps and such, and he knows what works and what won't. He also stays with it 'til he feels he's done the best possible job. Anyway, as far as tweeks go, I've found Vibrapods and Cones are a very reasonable and worthwhile tweek. Also, HiFITuning replacement fuses are reasonable, at $25 to $30 each, and make a very nice improvement. One thing, and the most recent for me, is installing Bybee Quantum Purifiers in my Universal player. They are $74 each, easy to install, (some soldering required) and will improve whatever you put them in. (You can even put them on your speakers). I intend to put some in my DAC next. I will have to say the single biggest performance leap came when I switched to the Synergistic Research Resolution Reference FX Active speaker cables. They made my system come to life in a way I was hoping for all along. Don't know if they would do the same for your set-up, but for me, they're it. Kinda spendy, but I believe it'll save money on upgrades you don't need. Nice talking to you, enjoy, Dan

islandmandan

Owner
Hello Dan. Very interesting notions. What were the mods to your A3/24? I was so blown away by the thing versus my old Audio Alchemy that I hadn't even thought about tweaks. I think I'm going to go to the electrical store and see if I can find the plug for the chassis end of the modular A/C connector, then make a reverse polarity A/C line cord out of a spare extension cord. I'll let you know what happens. Must admit to a little bit of "stage fright" after posting my system, thinking I'd get some flame-o-grams about how my system may be pretty but doesn't have any of the most basic and needful tweaks. Hoping to find out what those are and see if I can incorporate some if they don't compromise the installation. Thanks for taking the time to pass along your experience! Regards, Rob.

robnichols

Hi Rob, Dan here, another certified audio nut, as you referred to yourself. I noticed that you also have a Musical Fidelity A 3/24 DAC. I had mine upgraded by David Schulte, and it made a great improvement on stock. However, upon experimentation suggested by David, I reversed the polarity at the plug, and music then exploded out of my speakers. I had always thought it sounded a little too laid-back, but not anymore. It just sounds right, detailed, with sparkling highs, dynamics to burn, but extremely smooth,as it has always been. Just for fun, you might try one of those adapters for lifting ground, and reverse the polarity. It might make a real difference, and it's free! Good luck, and enjoy! Dan

islandmandan

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