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What I don't seem to have is a lot of soundstage depth. Any ideas?

All 2ch listening done with the analog pass thru. Speakers far apart and in front of the tv. Speakers moved out into the room.

Thanks

Marty
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    • Sim Audio Attraction
    7.1 analog pass thru
    • Sim Audio Stellar
    Progressive scan upgrade
    • Sim Audio Sim Audio Titan 7ch
    200x7 @ 8 ohms doubles down
    • Meadowlark Audio Heron i
    Also have the Heron I center speaker
    • Meadowlark Audio Meadowlark Osprey
    Rears in 5.2 setup
    • Hsu Research HSU VTF-3 x2
    Pre runs stero subs, why not.
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    • Straight Wire Rhapsody II
    Balanced between pre amp
    • Straight Wire Duet
    Bi-wire, med size garden hose
    • DIY DIY-Special
    Braided, shielded with good plugs on all but amp
    • Dedicated 20 lines DIY
    Two lines, tv amp subs on one, rest on other
    • Richard Gray 400s
    On circuit with tv/ subs and amp
    • PS Audio Ultimate Outlet
    For Pre and DVD
    • Porter Ports Cryo Outlets
    Couple of cyro outlets and hospital grade outlets for the rest
    • Straight Wire Rhapsody II
    RCA between dvd pro
    • Elco That big yellow one
    Digital ic between dvd pre
    • Look Important??? PS Audio Power Port Stuff
    Look like something useful? Unsure if this affects the power protection of the device. The blue things are connected to the

Comments 12

Do you still have the Heron i centre speaker?

lacee

Owner
Thanks for the ideas, will try out.

Marty

marty9876


Try moving forward all three front speakers as much as possible.

Add acoustic treatment, foam, pillows, wall rugs etc... directly behind the three fronts. The center is probably the worst problem with the brick. Hunt around the house for anything you can experiment with.

Try turning your center channel 90 degrees on end. Keep the center tweeter level as close to the L&R speaker tweeter heights if possible. This will give you wider dispersion horizontally and less dispersion vertically. Tilt the speaker so it is aiming at the listening position.

You may need to tweak your levels after each experiment.

Good luck,

Stewart

steuspeed

Try moving the speaker out in front of the TV, this is part of your problem, then move to a projector later!

cytocycle

Owner
Thanks for the thoughts.

On the first reflections I have a plush couch/love seat placed. Not sure how much this really helps. The floor is carpeted. Behind the TV smack in the middle is a brick fireplace.

I've always said a TV smack in the middle can't help anything. Projector would be the only solution for that, spendy...

Marty

marty9876

Maybe this is too obvious, but in just about every setup I've heard with a TV between the speakers, there is very little or no depth -- no matter how good the speakers might image otherwise. The glass seems to kill any chance of creating depth. I noted this in several installations at this year's T.H.E. Show in Vegas. Same products, neighboring rooms: The one with no TV had depth for miles, the one with a TV had none.

tlieb

You might want to consider room reflections. Are your side walls damped - at least where you have the first reflection of sound. What is on your back wall - I suggest damping it also. Do you have carpeting - If you are getting reflections off the floor and ceilings - not good. All these things, as well as, speaker placement affect imaging and depth. Too much damping and you may lose a little on the higher frequencies. If that is a problem, try using something that will diffuse the sound versus damp it. Good luck and enjoy!

jimyork

Depending on what a client is willing to do, we can basically flatten the response of any room, widen the sweet spot and even the decay times. This is hard particularly in small rooms, but it can be done. For rented spaces it's a little more limited, as you really can not do the serious construction to fully optimize a room, but there is a lot you can do.

In general EKG graphs are not what we're looking for (unless the person is dead--then that basic flat look is a good thing for audio). Can you e-mail me your graph and a drawing of the room? Even better would be to download the application form and fax it to me along with the graph. The form can be downloaded here. From that I could give you a very good idea of what could be done without the use of permanently installed devices.

rives

Owner
Rives, I was going to list everything wrong with the room, but to same time, the only thing not wrong is I don't have a bay window. :) Being that I'm renting, I assume the dedicated lines was pushing things, not really sure how much more I can get away with.

Thanks for the input, I have measured the overall room response via your test cd. It should look like a ekg, right? Guess I should figure out how to straighten that graph out.

Side question: I assume you have gone into a setup with the response all over the graph. How much of a difference did it sound when you did your thing.

Thanks
Marty

marty9876

Well, I'm always the "room could be the issue" kind of person. It's an occupational hazard. The room and speaker placement in general are the two things I would look at. Please visit our website Rives Audio and go to the listening room. It is a tutorial section and if you click on the speakers there is a white paper we wrote on speaker placement. The other area to look at is overall room response. Reverberation times and damping in a room for HT vs 2 channel can be quite different. In my room I optimized for 2 channel and the HT is certainly not as good as it could be, but if your room is optimized for HT, then it doesn't surprise me that the sound stage really isn't there for 2 channel listening.

rives

Owner
Thanks for the idea. I have the speakers toed in too much probably, looks cooler.
Marty

marty9876

You may want to experiment with toeing in the speakers a bit if your system is sounding flat. My system benefitted by doing this. Toe in the speakers in small increments at a time. I hope this helps.

avnut

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