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I set up this system for fun and convenience and I am astounded at how good it sounds!

I rip CD's to the MAC G4's hard drive, uncompressed, using AIFF. I use the computer's hard drive as a transport, feeding the digital signal to the Apogee DAC via the USB output from the MAC G4. The Apogee has balanced XLR analogue L & R outputs which I connect to the balanced XLR inputs on the Mackie HR824's. The Mackies are active, bi-amped. This system sounds incredibly good. There seems to be some synergy between these components and the active bi-amped Mackies eliminate the need for amplifiers or speaker cables reducing the signal path after the amplifiers to nothing, eliminating a set of interconnects while providing bi-amplification! I would recommend this system to anyone thinking of using his/her computer as a juke box. I've got this in a 16' X 20' room and it fills the space beautifully. It will end up in a much smaller room eventually. It sounds great up close or from futher away. If you can't tell, I am really pleased with the results. I would also recommend this instead of using a CD player -- this sounds better than $1,000 CD players I have heard (Yamaha s2300). I tried several other configurations, tried an M-Audio USB Audiphile DAC prior to the Apogee, but the Apogee is in a different league, several huge jumps in quality from the M-Audio. This is a seriously high quality DAC. And, I am amazed at these Mackies. These are used by a lot of recording studios because they are so accurate -- usually sold in pro-audio shops -- audiophiles need to become acquainted with Mackie!
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    • MAC G4 1.25 Ghz Laptop Transport
    Hard Drive
    • Apogee USB Mini-DAC
    Takes USB digital feed from computer, performs Digital to Analogue conversion.
    • Mackie HR824
    Active Bi-amped monitor speakers with flat response, +/- 1 db, from 37Hz to 22Khz.

Comments 11

I listened to Mackies in the relatively same system in the recording studio(that's where they're being widely used as a budget compromise to dynaaudios which are 4x more costly). They're best to be heard from the close distance <2' and being mostly used for the post-recording mastering.

marakanetz

What speakers have you compared these too? I have a set of harbeths and I want to check these out. Let me know!

lexmark

I looked up the specs on the Mackey monitors, and I was shocked at how flat the frequency response was. If the graph is correct, it is probably the flattest frequency response graph I have ever seen. I am really tempted to go this way as well, Rsbeck.

Just so we can compare notes, what other speakers and systems are you familar with, and how would you compare the sound of these to the Mackeys?

jackv4realty

Owner
By Jove, I think you've got it! :-)

rsbeck

So, one could buy an Apogee Mini DAC ($975), a used MAC G4 iBook ($1000), a DK VS-1 MkII amp ($2995) and speakers of one's choice and have a high end digital server-based system for $5000 plus the cost of the speakers and wire? This is almost a no-brainer. Am I missing something here?

tvad

Owner
There is both a PC and a MAC logo on the web-site.

This leads me to believe it work on either system. Before you buy,
double check that the one you purchase works with PC.

http://www.apogeedigital.com/products/minidac.php

rsbeck

Rsbeck, can I achieve the same using an MS-based PC? I'm embarrassed now. My moniker should no longer be audio geek but "luddite". 8^(

gaudio_eek

Owner
No software is needed. The Mac recognizes the Apogee immediately and is
ready to interact with it. I had an M-Audio USB DAC before the Apogee and with the M-Audio piece you need to install drivers so the Mac will recognize it -- and you have to re-boot in the right sequence to make it work. It was a pain. No such problem with the Apogee. You certainly can use the headphone out and get decent results -- I've been doing that for years. You purchase an interconnect that plugs into the headphone out and splits the signal into L & R. You plug those into L & R analogue inputs on your pre-amp or receiver. The problem is that you're using the computer's internal sound card to convert digital to analogue and since it is inside the computer, the conversion is subject to degradation -- you get a low level hum and you lose some detail. When you turn the volume up on your pre-amp or receiver, the hum gets louder. And, you're limited to the quality of the computer's internal DAC, which isn't bad, but can be improved upon. By taking the signal out through the USB port, you bypass the computer's sound card and DAC and this allows you to do your digital to analogue conversion outside the computer in a cleaner environment, with a superior DAC. With the Apogee, the distortion and hum is completely gone, the background is absolutely black and this DAC is way better than the computer's internal DAC.

rsbeck

Do you need special software to output a signal via USB? I didn't think USB output audio signals. It makes me wonder if you could get similar results outputing through the headphone output of the G4?

s7horton

Owner
The Apogee Mini-DAC is the soundcard. I'm sure it would work with your Mac desktop -- as long as you have a USB port. My Mac recoginized the Apogee right off with no problem, no need to install drivers.

rsbeck

very and very intriguing!
d'u think i'll be more successfull with mac desctop?
which pc(not poercord:-)) model and which soundcard should i use?

marakanetz

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