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Mostly Krell electronic, with Oracle/Graham/Benz and Apogee planars. I have liked the Krell sound from an early stage, and because I live in the audio dessert, and buy mostly used, I have stayed with Krell. I do think that they are better together than mixed and matched with other brands.

It has taken 45 years to get to this point and this is probably about it for me. Not sure I can afford or want to go to the next level, so spending more on tweaks like power cords and isolation devices now. Have upgraded my speaker cables, and put CAST cables between the pre and amps, but for major equipment I'm done. At least until I decide to jump into computer audio. Not sure if that will happen anytime soon. It needs to be at least competitive with LP's for me to be interested, and I'm not sure it's quite there yet.

The front end is located in the closet in the picture to try to help reduce vibration.
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Room Details

Dimensions: 20’ × 15’  Medium
Ceiling: 8’


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    • Krell Evo 202
    I replaced my Krell Phantom III, which was a killer pre, with an Evo 202 that I found at a great price. HUGH, HUGH, improvement. Sound stage is wider and deeper and more holographic with an almost you are there sound stage.
    • Oracle Audio Technologies Delphi mk VI Gen II
    My first (what I thought at the time) really good turntable was a Denon Direct Drive, although I did have an AR for a while in the Seventy's, then I moved on to a Rega III. Now that was a great table. From there, an Oracle mk II, which was later upgraded to a mk IV. When I downsized, I had a Roxsan for a little while. Then finally realized downsizing doesn't work and got the mk V. I have just gotten it back from being upgraded to a mkVI. New bearing, Power Supply, and MVSS, which makes an astonishing difference.
    Just upgraded the base to make it a complete Delphi mkVI Gen II. Even more improvements across the board. It's much quieter and speed stability, that was already good, is even better.
    • Graham Engineering Phantom III Supreme
    Had a RB300 with my Rega III, then a Sumiko S arm with my first Oracle, later up graded to an FT4 straight arm. After upgrading the Delphi to mk IV, I added the Graham 1.0. When I got the Delphi mk V, I got a Graham 2.0 and later added the upgraded bearing. Now I have moved up to an Original Phantom, which I will eventually have up graded to a Supreme. September '17, I finally upgraded it to a Supreme III. Still getting it completely dialed in, but great improvement over the Original Phantom.
    • Benz Micro LP S
    Update: Got a new LP S in May 2019. Another big improvement. I couldn't believe how worn out my old LP S was.

    I got a Ruby Z after having an original Ruby (and then a Ruby 2) and before that a Carnegie. I think my first MC was a Denon, but not the 103, something a bit less costly. An LP S has replaced the Ruby Z now and what a nice improvement! More everything and clearer, without getting hyper detailed or tizzy. Highs are silky smooth and bass is even more textured than the Ruby.
    • Krell Reference KPE phono
    I had the KPE Standard and this is a big step up. Before that I always used the in-board phono card of whatever pre I was currently using. I recently replaced all the caps in the KPE REF power supply and phono board with Rubycon and Vishay caps. Huge improvement over the almost 20 year old caps.
    • Transparent Audio Phono cable
    Upgraded the GEN 5 Ultra phono cable to a Transparent MM2 Reference XL. This is only one step below their top of the line Opus. So even though it is the older MM2, it is still a huge step up from the GEN 5 Ultra that I had. At basically the same time I had my MM2 Ultra RCA cables, that I use between the KPE and the 202 Pre, upgraded to the GEN 5 Reference cable.
    One of my amps was back at Krell being fixed when these swaps were made, so it was not the way I tend to like to do things. I usually only swap one component at a time. That way I can get a good idea of which component did what to the over all sound. But the used phono cable was available and it seemed like a good time to have the other cable upgraded since I couldn't really listen to the system in anything other than mono.
    Overall EVERYTHING was improved. LP's sound more like being there than ever before. You really get the impression on a well recorded LP that you are listening to the musicians playing their instruments, rather than that you are listening to a system reproduce a recording. If that makes sense.
    • Transparent Gen 5 Ultra Phono cable
    Replaced by Ref XL phono Nov 2019. See new component for comments.

    DIN to RCA Phono cable replaced my Ultra MM1 cable. Another great improvement. Better dynamics, more separation and texture. A great phono cable.
    • Transparent Audio Gen 5 Ultra RCA>RCA
    Replaced Nov 2019 with GEN 5 Ref. See other component for remarks.

    Upgraded the Ultra MM2 between my pre and phono with the Gen 5 Ultra's. Nice improvement. I can hear deeper into the music and there is more sense of space, with more extension of both lows and highs. Highs are silky smooth with a very realistic bite as they should have. The Gen 5 cables are a big improvement over the MM2's.
    • Krell FPB-750Mcx mono's
    I originally had a Lafayette integrated (anyone remember those?), then a Sansui integrated, with more buttons and knobs than you could imagine, and then my first seperates (db pre and Quantro amp). Quatro went under and was absorbed by Infinity I think, while my amp was at the factory being serviced. Luckily UPS covered it as lost since the company literally vanished overnight. I then replaced that with a Hafler 200 kit amp.
    My first Krell amp was a KSA-50 mkII, then a pair of KMA-100's (way too much heat), to a KSA-250, to a FPB-300 (with the intention of eventually getting the 600, which I did). After the FPB600C which I got so that I can run CAST interconnects, I finally found a pair of 750's that I had been wanting for several years, and this should finish my amp upgrades. I've posted new pictures with the 750's.
    Earlier this year one of the amps started over heating, so I had both of them recapped. Hopefully, they will last me the rest of my life.
    • Krell CAST cables
    Other than generics, I had some Audioquest stuff before finding the Cogelco. I liked the transparency of the silver cables and never went back. But now I have replaced my Krell Cogelco Black XLR's between my 202 pre and my "new" Krell 600C amp with Krell CASt cables. This produced an across the board improvement.
    Recently tried some Transparent MM2 Ultra XLR cables between pre and amps, but they did not improve the overall. Perhaps a higher level of XLR's would, but the CAST cables won this round.
    • Apogee Acoustics Diva's w/ Custom Xovers & Stands
    My first set of audiophile speakers were a pair of Bose 501's. Yeah, I know, but I was young and unknowing. After that I had some very nice Allison's and then some big Infinity's. From there I got my first planar, Apogee Caliper Signature's. I really fell in love with what they could do. When Apogee folded I sort of panicked and in a foolish attempt at down sizing, sold my Caliper's and got a pair of Genisis 400's. They sounded really good, but only at one specific volume, and that was higher than I wanted all the time. After that I also decided downsizing was unsatisfying, and started rebuilding my system. I purchased a pair of JM Labs 920's (now Focal) and was happy with them for a few years, but really missed the sound of my Apogee's. I then found a pair of Duetta Signatures, and eventually got my Diva's. With the reribboning of the speakers, and the custom crossover's, I think I'm done for speakers.
    Just added custom stands made from 1"x2" Aluminum. Makes speaker more rigid and a big improvement in clarity.
    • Transparent Audio MM2 Reference Bicable spade to spade
    Somehow I left speaker cables off of the system. In May '15 I replaced my old Ultra cables with MM2 Reference cables, spade to spade. Huge and nice improvement in just about every aspect. Had to borrow money to get them, something I seldom do, but they were worth it.
    • Transparent PLUMM2 RCA>RCA
    Now using thess between the pre and the SACD. Nice improvement in all aspects over my trusty Krell Cogelco Black cables.
    • Denon DVD-2910
    DVD, CD, SACD. Since I mainly listen to LP, this is ok for the time being. I sold my Krell 28c in order to get the new Krell Phantom pre.
    • Quad U S A FM-4
    Got this as a great deal (dealer demo), or I probably wouldn't even have a tuner. I am amazed at how well it pulls in distant stations.
    • Transparent Power Isolator 4
    I do have two dedicated lines to my equipment. Started with a Transparent (750?) line conditioner, changed to a PS P300, and then replaced it with a PS Power Plant Premier. Now I have a Transparent Power Isolator 4, which improved things again. Most recently, I added Wattgate 381 outlets. All have added some improvement to lowering the noise floor and bettering the soundstage. I just added two more dedicated lines so that my mono amps are on separate lines, and the Pre and Phono on their own, and the TT and SACD on their own line now. I also added another PI4. The Pre and Phono on one, and the TT and SACD on the other. Since the dedicated lines were basically added at the same time as the second PI4, I'm not sure how much added to the improvement on their own, but both did make a difference. There is now more fine detail. Instruments and voices that were once buried are now heard like they should have been. Instruments and voices are more nuanced and real.
    • Transparent PLMM2 20/15A Power Cord
    This originally was a 20 Amp power cord for my amp's dedicated line. Didn't think PC's could make much of a difference, but that turned out to be totally wrong. Since my 600C amp had a captured cord, I replaced the 20A plug with a Wattgate 351 AG 15A plug and am now using it on my pre with great effect.
    • Transparent PLMM2 15A Power Cord
    Power Cord
    • Transparent PLSMM 15A Power Cord
    This Power Cord was my first experiment with power cords, after finding out how much difference the outlet could make, and made me decide to upgrade all of my power cords. Currently it is being used on my SACD player, but will eventually get upgraded.
    • Transparent PLMM2x 20A Power Cords
    Except for my Krell CAST cables between the 202 and the 750's,(will eventually replace them with Transparent CAST) I now have an all Transparent cabled system. I'm sold on their cables and the concept of having a system with all one brand of cable. The PLMM2x cords give the music more coherence, and a more 3D soundstage than the stock cables.
    • Wattgate 381 AG Source Outlets
    15 and 20 amp power outlets for dedicated lines. Unfortunately, they do make a difference.
    • Wattgate 381 Gold Amp Outlets
    On both amp AC outlets, and now each amp has it's own 30A line too.
    • Tube traps 20 inch
    Added about $2000 worth of used tube traps, and then added the half rounds, and was amazed at how big a difference they made. Now I don't understand how I ever considered the sound in a "naked" room as being good.
    • Solid Steel 5.5 equipment stand
    5 shelf rack with each shelf supported by cones. This replaced an old Target rack, but it made an immediately noticeable difference. So now I'm wondering how much you should spend on a rack, but this one will do for a long time as a rack is about last on my list of tweaks.
    • BDR mk3 & mk4 Cones & Pucks
    A mixture of mk3 and mk4 Cones, with a few mk4 Pucks, under all components except speakers. I find that a combination of two mk 3 cones and a single mk 4 cone works best with my system.
    • GIK Acoustics Sound panels
    Removed a lot of foam panels I had been using and replaced them with the GIK panels last year. Huge improvement in the sound. Better soundstage, clarity, and more dynamics. This is absolutely the last item for my system as I am truly done, and it sounds awesome.

Comments 81

Thanks for the info. I have the MKI turbo power supply . I would upgrade the bearing and add the MVSS only.

gmorris

Owner
You pretty much have to send the whole table, with the exception of the loose parts like springs. They do drill the base, but my base is not granite. Talk to Jacques about it and see what they do with the granite bases. Since it's just a cup holding the silicon fluid, I would think tape or glue would be ok. The arms on the sub platter do have to be drilled, and the platter is needed for the fine tuning of the bearing. You may be able to send just the platter and sub platter and install the cups yourself. Again email Jacques. In my experience he was most helpful and usually very quick to respond.

mrvordo

Owner
Hi Gmorris,

Do you have the Turbo mkII? I had the original Turbo and upgraded to the mkII. Since it was done at the same time as the MVSS, it's hard to say how much difference it made by itself, but I had previously done the bearing, and the speed stability did seem much improved with the mk II Turbo.

mrvordo

Did you have to drill the granite base to accommodate the MVSS or did you use a two sided tape to attach them to the granite base? Did you have to return the whole turntable or just parts of it?

gmorris

Thanks for the info. I already have the Turbo power supply.
I will go for the bearing upgrade and the MVSS.

gmorris

Owner
Thanks for the nice words. I'm extremely happy with my system now.

The upgrade total was approximately $2000, about $450 bearing, $800 MVSS, $750 Turbo II PS. This does not include shipping to and from Oracle. And is an approximate since I can't locate my invoice at the moment.

The three major/most noticeable improvements were smoother and quieter background, much better speed stability, and tremendous impact of drums, bass, and leading edge of notes. None of these were subtle improvements, especially the impact of the drums. Compared to the mkV, drums would sound like cardboard. They didn't really, but relatively speaking there was that much of an improvement.

There was also better separation of instruments and voices, with more nuance and fine detail.

If you have a mkV, or even earlier, this is an upgrade well worth the money in my opinion.

Good listening,
Mike

mrvordo

Thanks Mrvordo. Lovely system. I see you also have panel speakers (Apogee).
How much did each Oracle MKV upgrade cost and did you ship your table back to Oracle?
Also could you describe the sonic improvements

gmorris

Owner
System edited: Couldn't wait any longer and got two PLMM2x power cords for the 750Mcx amps. The stock cords were really strangling the amps. Although they sounded good, they now sound great.

mrvordo

Makes me wish I was sitting in your chair. Its all good, now you can relax and enjoy the music, thanks for posting.

needfreestuff

Owner
The mkVI update to my Oracle mkV turntable is continuing to amaze me. The improvements across the board and especially of impact and slam are leaps and bounds beyond the mkV. Speed stability is improved, giving piano a much more realistic presentation.

The mkV was a really good table, but the mkVI is a great table. If you have an earlier version, I would highly recommend that you look into an update. These difference is NOT subtle.

mrvordo

Owner
System edited: New pictures added of the Krell 750Mcx's. Now I need to get a couple of Transparent power cords for them, but my amp search is over. Speakers and pre are done, and with the upgrade of the Oracle to mk VI, the turntable is done. I will possibly upgrade the Graham 2.0 arm at some point, but I'm not in any hurry about the arm. After 45 years I think I might be finalizing my system. At least until I get into computer audio with Hi-Rez files. But again, I'm not in a hurry for that since I'll have to be convinced that the HRA will be as enjoyable as vinyl.

mrvordo

Owner
Well, I did it. I finally found a pair of Krell 750mcx mono amps, and happen to be in a situation where I could purchase them. I'll get pictures up as soon as I sell my 600c and have it out of the way. For now it is sitting in between the two 750's. I am definitely done as far as amps go.

I'm am having my Oracle Delphi mk V upgraded to a mk VI, and that will probably be it for my turntable. I do want to upgrade my Graham arm, and now that he is coming out with a new one, I will probably try to find a used Phantom II Supreme.

I also now need a couple of power cords for the mono's, but that's about it until I get into computer audio. I'm waiting on that to settle down, and also get as good as vinyl before jumping in.

So speakers, amps, pre amp, and turntable are basically, if not entirely done. I hope this IS it.

mrvordo

Owner
Hi Mjcmt and Glenfihi, it definitely does produce a wall of sound, even way beyond the sides of the speakers, and I am really enjoying it to it's fullest now.

mrvordo

Owner
More headroom and more power for the power hungry Apogee's. They are really hard to find though, so who knows if or when I will find one.

mrvordo

Great room with great gear. Trying and succeeded in your journey music enjoyment.

glenfihi

Looking at your first photo, it conveys a wall of sound that it must produce. Hard to really imagine w/o being there.

mjcmt

Nice upgrade Mrvordo.

How would the 700CX or 750cx improve on the FPB600C?

lapierre

Owner
System edited: Just a couple of updates. I replaced my FPB600 with an FPB600C so that I could run CAST between the 202 pre and the amp. While I eventually want to find a 700CX or a pair of 750cx mono's, this was a worthwhile upgrade.

mrvordo

Owner
Yes I did upgrade the stock passives, and I'm not using a DAX. Upgrading the stock caps with better caps was a jaw dropping improvement.

Do you have a pair of Apogees?

mrvordo

Owner
System edited: Just a few changes. Added a PLUMM2 interconnect between my phono and pre, and moved the PLUMM to between the SACD player and the pre. Swapped the Krell FPB600 for a Krell FPB600C so that I can run CAST between the pre and amp. Ultimately I want a Krell 700CX, but they are really hard to find. I've changed out all the Krell cables for Transparent, except for Krell CAST for now.

mrvordo

Did you upgrade the stock passives? Are you using a dax?
Thanks Al

aawirth

Owner
System edited: I've added a pair of Transparent interconnects and several Transparent power cords. Each of these has add to the improvement of the over all sound.

mrvordo

Owner
System edited: Just some updated photos showing some changes.

mrvordo

Owner
Hi G,

The bearing made a big difference and is definitely worth the money. It was probably about as much of an upgrade as going from my old upgraded mkIII / mkIV, as going to my mkV. I am probably going to send the table in this spring to have the MVSS installed. The mkV bearing had an oil leak problem, so I only sent it for upgrade last spring. I didn't want to be without it too long then, but after hearing the difference, I am ready to add the micro vibration system too.

What do you have your table sitting on?

Best,
Mike

mrvordo

Congrats on a very nice system. I have the Oracle Delphi MKV also. How much of a difference did the upgrade of the bearing to MKVI make? I am considering installing the micro vibration damping system as well.
Thanks,

gmorris

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