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I recently upgraded to what for some time have been my dream speakers, the incredible Daedalus Audio Ulysses, including the recently introduced all-poly crossover option. I want to thank the many Audiogon members who have posted about this speaker in past threads. It is those posts which led to my becoming aware of the speaker, and ultimately deciding to purchase it. I also want to thank Lou Hinkley, Mr. Daedalus Audio, for participating in the forums at Audiogon, and of course for creating and providing me with these magnificent speakers.

Although their break-in process has barely begun, I feel that I can already say that imho their overall combination of sound quality, dynamic range, bass extension, amplifier friendliness and versatility, efficiency, imaging, elegant appearance and craftsmanship, practicable size and weight, and price, borders on the miraculous. For further commentary on them, see the posts by Jazdoc, Paulfolbrecht, and Jax2 near the end of [url=http://forum.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/fr.pl?cspkr&1269555143&openflup&129&4#129]this thread[/url], and

the post by Fig in [url=http://forum.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/fr.pl?cspkr&1275949549&openflup&23&4#23]this thread[/url].

Please note that in addition to the following general comments, I have included considerable additional information under the individual component listings above.

I first became interested in high quality audio around 1978. Eventually that led me to explore the world of vintage tube equipment, which in turn led me to discover and intensively pursue a separate hobby as well, antique radio collecting.

During a period of several years during the 1990 s I was able to acquire examples of many of the vintage pieces that are considered to be classics, including most of the early Marantz tube products, among many others. I enjoyed them for a while, and in most cases eventually sold them, in part because of their high monetary value and in part because I did not have the time or the inclination to do the capacitor replacements and other upgrades that would have been necessary to put them in optimal condition. And I would have had very mixed feelings about affecting their originality, as well.

The one piece that to this day I regret selling, though, were the rare and fabulous pair of Marantz 2’s I enjoyed during some of those years. They clearly outclassed a pair of the more powerful and more famous Marantz 9’s I also owned, although condition may have been a factor in that. A major reason for selling the 2’s, though, was that they were not quite powerful enough for the speakers I owned prior to the Ulysses, at least when playing wide dynamic range, well recorded, classical symphony.

The one very early piece that I continue to use in my main system, and that I don’t ever anticipate selling, is the legendary 1954 REL Precedent FM tuner. See my further comments on it by clicking its listing above. I use it in conjunction with an H. H. Scott LM35 fm multiplex adapter (the kit version of the model 335), ca. 1961, which decodes the stereo information.

The other pieces in the system represent a mix of vintage and modern, purchased new in some cases and used in others. Some of them are considered to be classics, and deservedly so in my opinion, most notably the Mark Levinson ML-1, which I use as my phono stage (by connecting its tape out jacks to my Classe CP-60 line stage preamp).

I should add that my listening is about 90% classical, a disproportionately large amount of it on labels that are audiophile-oriented or are otherwise high quality, and 10% rock and miscellaneous.

A note on the room: Dimensions are 22L x 13.5W x 8H. The speakers fire along the long dimension, of course. The central part of the rear wall is an opening to another room, so acoustically the length dimension is quite long. The speakers are about 8 feet apart measured driver to driver; the fronts of the speakers are about 4 feet from the front wall. Listening distance is 11 feet (to mid-point between speakers). The speakers are toed in a bit more than half-way between being pointed straight ahead and being pointed directly at the listener. As you can see in the photos, the room is wood-panelled, with wood blinds on the windows that comprise most of the front wall. The Eames chair seen on the left in some of the photos swivels aside for listening, and in that position reduces reflections off of a stone fireplace which is at the center of the left wall. Finally, the two Wassily/Breuer chairs, which are used for listening, are re-positioned during listening sessions so that they are both centered, one in front of the other. If my wife is listening with me, she, being considerably shorter than I am, sits in front.

Thanks for reading!

-- Al
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    • Daedalus Audio Ulysses Speakers
    The price shown ($14,400) reflects the base price of $10,950; optional bases/stands ($600); quartersawn white oak ($900); and the recently introduced all-poly crossover upgrade option ($1950). It is absolutely uncanny how well these speakers match my requirements and preferences, to a degree that as far as I am aware (after having done extensive research prior to my recent purchase decision) no other speaker in existence can match. My requirements and preferences were/are: 1)Top-notch sound quality. 2)Wide dynamic range, specifically the ability to cleanly reproduce the peaks of well-recorded classical symphonic music. 3)Not requiring a high-powered amplifier (e.g., 200W) to do so. 4)Not requiring a subwoofer. 5)Tube-friendly impedance characteristics. 6)Good imaging. 7)Elegant, refined appearance that is a reasonable match to my wood-panelled 1950’s living room. 8)A price that is considerably less than that of a new car. I purchased these in the optional quarter-sawn white oak version, btw. “Magnificent” doesn’t begin to do justice to their appearance and build quality.
    • Valve Amplification Company REN-7070 mkIII
    65 watts per channel of 300B, Class A, zero feedback magic. Purchased by me in 2011; I believe it was manufactured about 10 years earlier. The tubes I am using are a new (2011) set of Chinese 300B-98's, purchased from VAC by the previous owner, and vintage Sylvania 6SN7's.
    • DEQX HDP-5 Digital Preamp/Processor
    Digital Preamp/Speaker & Room Correction Processor -- see the "Is DEQX A Game-Changer?" thread for further discussion
    • DEQX/Earthworks M23 Calibration Kit
    Calibrated measurement microphone kit for use with DEQX HDP-5.
    • Stax Lambda Pro Headphones w/SRM-T1 Tube Amplifier
    From the late 1980s. Being electrostatic headphones they nicely complement the dynamic speakers I've had, and help me to sort out room effects or amplifier and speaker-related issues from recording or front-end related things. As well as making it possible to listen when listening via speakers would interfere with my wife's activities.
    • Herron VTPH-2 Phono Stage
    Wonderful sounding, versatile, beautifully engineered phono stage. The many accolades that have been bestowed here and elsewhere on both this phono stage and on Keith Herron as a wonderful person to deal with are more than well deserved.
    • Bryston BCD-1 CD Player (transport section)
    Using it as a transport, with AES/EBU output connected to DEQX.
    • Sota Sapphire Turntable
    Purchased in 1983; still looks and works like new. Built like the proverbial tank. I can literally pound my fist on the plinth during play, with no audible effects whatsoever. Beautiful oak finish.
    • Magnepan Unitrac-1 Tonearm
    Purchased in 1983. Highly regarded and rightly so. Includes in-play adjustability of vta/sra.
    • Audio Technica AT-ART9 Phono Cartridge
    Purchased in 2016.  A very nice upgrade, replacing the Grace F9-E variants I had been using for the majority of the past 35 years.  Especially notable among the improvements provided by the ART9 are increased detail and better definition in the treble region, and improved dynamics.
    • Radio Engineering Laboratories Precedent FM Tuner
    The legendary REL Precedent FM tuner, designed by former associates of Edwin Armstrong. Mono, with multiplex out jack for connection to external stereo multiplex adapter. From 1954; I purchased it in 1992. Other tuners I've had in my system at one time or another include two Marantz 10B's, a Carver TX11, a McIntosh MR71, and numerous Scott and Fisher units. The REL outperformed all of them sonically (at least in the case of the specific units that I had), and was equalled in station-getting ability only by the 10B. However every now and then it doesn't work properly, I believe due to either a bad diode or capacitor in the detector section. I'm hesitant to start changing parts, though, at least without being certain of exactly which part is the culprit, because I don't want to destroy its originality.
    • H. H. Scott LM35 Multiplex Adapter
    Stereo Multiplex Adapter, used in conjunction with REL Precedent. Kit version of the model 335. Ca. 1961.
    • Channel Master Roof-Mounted FM Antenna
    With rotator.
    • Tandberg TCD-3004 Cassette Deck
    One of the best cassette decks ever made. The 80 or so cassettes in my collection include much of the excellent Connoisseur In Sync series from the 1970's and 1980's. The deck is ca. 1980. I acquired it in the mid-90's.
    • Logitech Squeezebox Touch
    Using it just for Internet radio. A technological marvel given its low price. Too bad it is no longer made.
    • Nitty Gritty 2.5FiMk2 Record Cleaning Machine
    Record Cleaning Machine. Purchased during the 1990's. I used Torumat fluid until it was no longer available; Nitty Gritty Pure2 since.
    • DB Systems DBP-2JAU/5 Switchbox
    Line-level switchbox used to select whether the FM tuner combo or the cassette deck is routed to the DEQX
    • Audience aR2p Surge Suppressor/Conditioner
    This suppressor/conditioner plugs into an outlet of my 20 amp dedicated line. A Wiremold power strip (listed below) plugs into the aR2p and expands its 2 outlets to 10. The Venom Defender surge suppressor/conditioner (listed below) plugs into the power strip, to provide some degree of filtering of noise that may be coupled between components.
    • Shunyata Venom Defender Surge Suppressor/Conditioner
    This plugs into the Wiremold power strip (listed below) to provide some degree of filtering of noise that may couple between components.
    • Wiremold UL210BC Power Strip
    This well-made power strip expands the 2 outlets of the Audience aR2p surge suppressor/conditioner to 10.
    • Hammond Power Strip
    This plugs into the Wiremold power strip (listed above) to provide additional outlets. It also allows me to switch off the wall wart power supply of the Squeezebox when listening to other sources.
    • Analysis Plus Toslink Cable
    Squeezebox to DEQX, 3 meters
    • Mogami AES/EBU Cable
    Mogami "Gold" AES/EBU Cable, CDP to DEQX, 6 feet
    • Various Pro-Oriented Interconnects -- Mogami, Pearstone, Comprehensive
    Mogami Neglex 2534 quad cable with TecNec RCA connectors (from Markertek.com) between preamp and power amp; Mogami, Pearstone, and Comprehensive (B& H house brand) single-ended ic's for various other analog interconnections.
    • Vampire Wire Speaker Cable
    3 meters, 12 gauge.
    • Signal Cable Digital Reference Power Cords
    One 6 foot cord for the CDP; two 13 foot cords for the VAC dual mono amplifier, which uses two power cords. These are nominally intended for digital components, but the 12 gauge wire they utilize seems adequate for use with the amp as well, and I chose them particularly because of the excellent shielding they provide. In my setup these cords are routed such that they pass fairly close to the phono stage, which presumably increases the importance of their shielding. Also, the fact that the amplifier operates in class A, drawing essentially constant current regardless of the dynamics of the music, presumably lessens the importance of how responsive the cord may be to abrupt changes in demands for current.
    • Stock Power Cords
    Stock cords on all components other than the CDP and the VAC power amplifier.
    • Adona Multi-Element Isolation Platform
    With brass cones. This is used under the Herron phono stage. In addition to being well designed for its purpose, its craftsmanship and beauty make this practically a work of art.
    • Mapleshade Maple Platform & Isoblocks
    4 inch version; used under Power Amp.
    • Mapleshade Isoblocks
    Under Daedalus maple bases.
    • Sims (Sumiko) Navcom Silencers
    Vibration control footers, used under REL Precedent tuner. Ca. 1992.
    • Planax PX Record Clamp
    ca. 1983.
    • Zerostat 3 Milty
    Anti-static gun.
    • LAST Stylus Cleaner
    Stylus cleaner.
    • 20 Amp Dedicated AC Line, New Circuit Breaker Panel & Wiring
    New 20 amp dedicated AC line, new circuit breaker panel, new inside and outside wiring to where the utility company's overhead lines attach to the house. All installed in 2010-2011.

Comments 113

Owner
Hi Halcro,

Thanks for your comment. I recall that you are an architect, so it's interesting to get your perspective. The main explanation would be a practical one -- we purchased the furniture when we lived in a different house!

But to my sensibilities, and those of my wife (who is an artist among other things, and has two family members who are architects), it all seems to work reasonably well. A mix of seemingly disparate elements, just like my system :-)

Best regards,
-- Al

almarg

Hi Al,
I also have always benefited from your technical knowledge over the years and thank you for your postings.

On another note........I can't help but be impressed by the 'classic' 20th century furniture you appear to enjoy......the Breuer Wassily chairs, the Eames lounge and the Breuer cane cantilevers.
However.....the remainder of the house seems a little incongruous with these 'modern' stylistic elements?
Any explanations?

Regards

halcro

Owner
Mapman, thank you most kindly!

I enjoyed reading the Stereophile writeups on the show, and the posts by you and others in the thread about it.

Once or twice a year my wife and I take the Acela high speed train from here in Connecticut to DC, to visit some relatives. Perhaps the relatives will happen to be available around the time of next year's show :-)

Best regards,
-- Al

almarg

Al,

I heard a pair of Daedalus speakers at Capital Audifest the other week and liked them very much.

Another system there used the same Bryston CD player as you I believe (plus a modest Byston amp) and I was very impressed with the sound there as well. That was in the GT audio room playing the GT hybrids (+ dual subs) that were shown at the show.

I chose "They'll be Some Changes Made by Chet Atkins and Mark Knopfler to demo that system and my toe was a tapping the whole way through. I've always had an opinion of the Bryston gear as being pretty rock solid and this particular audition did not disappoint.

You would have enjoyed the heavy retro vibe combined with a lot of nice modern technology at that show I think! Check out the CAF 2012 article and photos on teh Stereophile site if you get a chance.

mapman

Owner
Dover, thanks very much!

I hadn't considered the possibility of attempting to fix the line stage module. Although after a bit of research I see some potential issues. I believe that module is identical to the one that was used in the ML-1's predecessor, the JC-2, for which I found the schematic here. While the two bipolar transistors it uses are still readily available, it appears likely that I would have to substitute alternate parts for the FETs, if one of those is what is causing the problem. Also, as you'll see, there is a note on the drawing from John Curl, who designed it, that careful matching of some of the electrical parameters of the FETs is required. Finally, there appears to be a 500 ohm trimpot in the circuit, that presumably would have to be readjusted in some undefined manner if the FETs were changed.

So considering that I'm not using that part of the ML-1, I'll probably just let it be for the foreseeable future. Although I might reconsider that if and when the time comes to sell it. I've been pondering the idea of eventually changing to a tube-based phono stage, and one that provides passive RIAA equalization, with the Herron VTPH-2 being particularly intriguing.

Thanks very much again. Best regards,
-- Al

almarg

Al, I enjoy your technical contributions, just had a read of your system and I saw your comments on the Levinson ML1 line stage. A friend of mine had the same issue and managed to de-pot the module and fix it quite easily. You might want to consider giving this a go.

dover

Al, welcome to the sb touch club!

mapman

Owner
Thanks so much for the kind comments, which are much appreciated.

A couple of updates. I had previously mentioned that a matched quad of Sophia Electric 6SN7's I had purchased caused objectionable hum in the VAC amplifier, as a result of excessive leakage (I believe between the heaters and cathodes). The good folks at Sophia replaced those tubes with a new matched quad under the extended warranty I had purchased, after verifying the leakage measurements I reported to them. The new tubes have insignificant leakage per my Hickok 800A tube tester, and cause no hum in the amplifier. Although they are presumably still in the midst of their breakin process, I find their sonics to be slightly preferable to the vintage Sylvania's I had been using, and so I will continue to use them for the foreseeable future.

Also, I just purchased a Squeezebox Touch, to use for non-critical Internet radio listening. My quick initial impression is that its internal DAC works reasonably well for that purpose. I don't plan at present to computerize my music collection, so I don't foresee purchasing a quality separate DAC, at least in the near term. The Touch connects reliably to an 802.11g wireless access point I have on the upper floor of my house, through several walls and a floor and ceiling. Quite a remarkable piece of technology, given its low price.

Best regards,
-- Al

almarg

What a wonderful write-up - like traveling through time with you. Love your system and the antique radios are marvelous. For me it's the road not taken but but I'm gradually rethinking my approach. All the best Al.

barrysandy

That's a very nice system
Great looks and i'm sure great sound !

musicfile

Build your own server and then you can use iPad to control and management library.

lapierre

Digital is one area of technology where waiting is often advantageous from a value perspective in that the technology is still evolving at a significant pace.

Having said that, the Squeeze system technology has achieved a reasonable degree of maturity of late and offers very good performance forvery reasonable cost. The caveat is you have to be prepared to deal with the complexities of a computer based application. Not rocket science but there canbe some challenges that might frustrate some.

Al, you should do it. Its a natural place to go for the tech literate audio enthusiast.

mapman

Owner
Salectric, thanks very much for your kind comment.

Pierre, I'm pretty happy with the system as it stands now, and I don't envision any major changes in the near term (assuming no problems develop with the older stuff). The most notable issue now, although it's not especially severe, is a suckout around 40 or 45 Hz due to a rear wall reflection. Which is kind of surprising, because the central third of the rear wall is an opening into another room. But I've verified that is what is happening via measurements. Considering that it is our living room, though, adding room treatments, especially treatments that would be effective at those frequencies, would be a non-starter. Fortunately it is not severe enough to be bothersome on most recordings.

At some point in the future I suppose I'll get into computer-based audio, starting perhaps with a Squeezebox so that I can listen to internet radio via the system. I always seem to be late in adopting new technologies for audio (I didn't purchase my first CD player until 1992, although it was perhaps a good thing that I waited that long). Which is ironic, because I'm also a computer enthusiast, who builds his own computers.

Best regards,
-- Al

almarg

Al what's next on the HiFi roadmap?

lapierre

Nice collection of equipment! I heard the Daedalus Ulysses and Athena for the first time at last year's RMAF, and I liked them very much especially with tubes. I am sure your setup sounds very nice.

salectric

Owner
System edited: Replaced the Sophia Electric 6SN7s I had been using in my VAC amplifier with 1950's Sylvania 6SN7GTBs, a matched pair of "chrome domes," and a matched pair of "chrome tops." A slight hum that had resulted from excessive heater-to-cathode leakage in two of the Sophias recently worsened, prompting the change. The Sylvanias have no measurable leakage, and do not produce any hum. Preliminary listening impressions are that the change resulted in significantly improved dimensionality and instrumental "body," while retaining the timbral accuracy of the Sophias, which I had been very pleased with.

almarg

Owner
Lapierre, thanks very much!

Regarding the speaker selection process, if the Daedalus Ulysses hadn't existed probably one of the Coincident models would have headed my short list. But after extensive research I was so convinced that the Ulysses were the perfect match for my selection criteria (described under the link for the speakers in my equipment list above) that I ordered without having heard either them or any competitive models. (Daedalus provides 30 day audition privileges, less two-way shipping and a very reasonable restocking fee).

Thanks again. Best regards,
-- Al

almarg

Well done Al.

Great mix of vintage and modern components.

What other loud speakers did you consider?

BTW...nice touch with the Wassily/Breuer chairs which makes you want to hang out and listen to music.

lapierre

Owner
Shadorne and Sufentanil, thanks very much for your kindly comments.

Michael, I'm in a small town in Connecticut, which like a lot of the State is heavily wooded.

Best regards,
-- Al

almarg

Hi Al,

I love your room. I am very envious of your view. Where do you live that affords you such a nice view?

Very nice system. It looks like you've applied a lot of thought and experience to your component selection.

Michael

sufentanil

Al,

Your knowledge and experience is as impressive as your setup and collection of gear. I like the American flag on the mantelpiece - God Bless America! (My daughter was born in Houston)

shadorne

Owner
Thanks very much, Roxy. Yes, I am pretty much in heaven with my present system configuration. While I've perceived many strengths and no significant weaknesses in it since the recent 6SN7 upgrade I mentioned above, what I continue to find most striking about the VAC/Daedalus combination is how well piano is reproduced (with good recordings, of course), whether on CD or LP.

Thanks very much again for your comment.

Best regards,
-- Al

almarg

Love your system, and the whole vibe of your room. Looks like a great place to listen to music. With the Ulysees and the VAC, you must be in heaven. Good work.

roxy54

Owner
Charles, thanks very much for your kind comment. You've certainly got a beautiful system yourself! And I always enjoy and appreciate your invariably constructive, helpful, and knowledgeable posts in the forums.

Best regards,
-- Al

almarg

Beautiful system!
Al, one of the toughest things you may have to do is bringing a listening session to a close.

charles1dad

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