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Audio Note, WE-91A, Rega, Ayon
1/20/12 -I built a 300b single ended triode amplifier based on Joe Robert's Western Electric 91A. Used all vintage caps and vintage resistors-Alen Bradley and Ohmite. These vintage parts came from Leeds Radio just a few subway stops from my apartment in Brooklyn. The coupling caps are .1uf V-Cap TFTF. Large motor run oils in the power supply. Sophia Electric 91-05 Opt transformers and Sophia Princess Mesh Tubes. Stancor PT's came from ebay.

3/2012: Replaced the Alps Potentiometer with a Goldpoint 50K stepped attenuator. More clarity and transparency through the entire frequency range.

Still not using a pre amp.

5/12- Replaced the oil capacitor C-3 biasing the 6C6 with a Black Gate.

6/6/12- Finished new chassis

7/12 - Added Rega P3-24 with Power Supply and Exact Cart. Will look at different cart options later

7/12 - Pulled the 24 gauge silver hookup wire used throughout the amp and installed 16 gauge pure copper wire. The 24 gauge wire gave the sound a weightless quality that I did not like.
The 16 gauge has been in for three weeks and I can report that the weight and depth has very pleasingly improved. Vocals have an added pleasing quality. Instruments throughout the entire frequency range have more depth and richness. The low end is more powerful. I can more easily perceive the stage that the players are performing on.

10/12 Pulled C-5 and didn't replace it. Pulling this capacitor has changed the sound of this amp. Clarity and detail throughout but especially in the lows thru the mid range. Much easier to detect decay and the accompanying reverb. Dynamics seem more unconstrained as well. It has decreased gain by around 20% but in my room with the AN-e's it does not matter.

1/2013- Replaced the 1k Allen Bradley 6C6 Cathode resistor with a Vishay TX2575. This resistor is very neutral...almost as though it has no sonic character of its own. Each instrument has its own accurate color and detail but not at the expense of the overall musical message. Took about 100 hours of break in time.

2/16/13--After a month with the TX2757 in the 6C6 cathode position, including bypassing them with Black Gate Caps I decided to pull these resistors. They did not provide the richness and room filling sound that the A-B's and the older AN Tantalum did. A few weeks ago I got two of the most recent production 1k An Tants from the Hi Fi Collective.

These new Tants are more closely akin to the A-B's than to the TX2575's. They are not as sonically accurate or pure as the TX's. But they do fill the room with rich satisfying music like the A-Bs but with more detail and without the extra noise or warmth or whatever it is with the A-B carbon comps. Still running the amp without the 6C6 bypass cap.

2/2013--Built a home brew phono pre amp using the Audio Note M3 schematic.

4/2013-Upgraded to the Rega White belt and Groovetracer Reference subplatter. Excellent sonic improvement.

5/2013- WE91a amp---Replaced the the screen cap (6C6) which was an oil with a 12uf Solen cap. Have about 50 hours on the Solen. Not sure I like it. Makes the amp sound a little cold and forward. Will live with it for a while.

Late 5/2013. The 12uf Solen has broken in and I like it better than the oil that it replaced. Warmth but with plenty of detail.

Mid 7/2013 (Audio Note DIY Phono pre) ---- Added Audio Note Tantalum resistors into the signal path. 7/27/13-took out the .047 and .33uf Solen caps in the signal path of the phono pre and added .047 Vcap TFTF and .33 Audio note copper caps.

8/11/13 (Audio Note DIY Phono pre) After two weeks with the Vcaps and AN copper caps in the phono circuit my vinyl rig is a lot fun to listen to. A more beautiful and open sound than with the Solen caps.

10/12/13 WE91a---
replaced the 15uf oil cap that was biasing the 300b tube with a polarized 22uf Black Gate. Will listen for a while and see if I like it.

11/1/13 WE91a
The Black Gate by itself is still fine.

I cleaned the resistor and Cap leads, tube sockets and tube pins with 99% alcohol. They have been in the cicuit for 2 years and were tarnished and very dirty. Once cleaned much more mid range clarity and cleaner bass.

11/20/13 Added Gold Lion GZ34 Rectifiers. Sound is open and airy. Very nice

12/28/13 Added Emission Labs 300bXLS.

2/17/14- Audio Note Home Brew Phono Pre-Finished new chassis for the Power supply.
Added 8 more Tantalum Resistors (4 per channel) to the Phono circuit. Now the circuit has a few A-B's and 6 Tantalums per channel. Phono pre sounds a lot better than it did with the PRP red resistors.

3/16/14 WE91A. Because the EML300bXLS tubes are so well internally balanced, I was able to remove the Hum pots and still use AC heat. Now the 300b bias is going thru the center tap of the 5volt filament transformer. Without the hum pots, the sound is much freer and alive. I am liking this!

3/31/14-AN Phono Pre. Replaced several more PRP resistors that were on the plate of both the PS and circuit with Mills. Hopefully they will sound better than the PRP's

5/1/14 WE91a. Took out the Allen Bradley grid leak resistors and replaced with Shinkoh Tantalun resistors. took about two weeks to break in.
5/25/14 WE91a. Put the Allen Bradley grid leak resistors back in. The Shinkoh Tants made the amp have a glare that didn't go away even after the resistors were broken in.

Running the Amp at 425V B+ is sounding good with EML 300bXLS and GZ34's.

6/7/14 AN Home Brew Phono Pre-
Took out the last PRP resistors in the circuit and replaced with Allen Bradleys. Very nice change. Now the circuit has a good mix and Tants and Allen Bradleys. There are a few more PRP's in the power supply that I will replace very soon.

6/22/14 AN Home Brew Phono Pre- Took out the last of the PRP resistors in the power supply and replaced with Mills resistors

9/23/14 AN Home Brew Phono Pre - Installed Audio Note Copper Capacitors in the RIAA network. .0028uf and .0082uf in each channel

11/21/14 AN Home Brew Phono Pre - Replaced the six more Allen Bradley resistors (3 per channel) with Takman one watt resistors.

11/28/14 AN Home Brew Phono Pre - Tweeked the voltage in my phono pre. Very good results. Much more open and transparent sound. Orchestral strings sound really nice.

12/6/14 Rega P3-24. I added a Audio Note iQ3 cartridge. Needs about 100 hours of break in.
Rega Exact is a great cartridge but opportunity came up. We'll see which I prefer once the iQ3 is broken in.

12/13/14 WE91a. installed Duelund Copper Cast coupling caps. After two weeks more natural sounding than the V-cap Teflon

1/12/15-Duelund Copper CAST 630v coupler caps have a very natural, emotionally engaging musicality with a very rich and colorful tonal pallet. Keepers for sure!

3/1/15-WE91a - Experimenting with WIMA power supply caps. These are Metallized Polypropylene. C2 in my power supply is a 100uf oil. I have replaced it with a 50uf Wima. I think the 50uf is a better choice as it controls the woofer a bit better.

3/7/15- WE91a - Added new custom built power transformers by Heybour. 250mA. Also added another WIMA cap at C1- its a 15uf.
B+ went from 424 to 450. 375v across the 300b plate. 76mA. With all these changes the amp has better control over the woofer. Punchy bass.

3/25/15 WE91a. Took out the Wima at C1. Made the amp sound harsh. Put it a GE F97 oil.
3/30/15 WE91a. Took out the Solen 12uf Cap on the screen of the 6C6 driver tube and replaced it with a 22uf Black Gate VK cap. The Solen is muddy compared to the Black Gate. I didnt realize how important the cap on the 6C6 screen is to the sound of the amplifier.

4/15/15 WE91a - A friend has lent me four low DCR 2H chokes (two per channel) to try in place of the single 10H Hammond in each channel. PS is now 15uf/1.8H/15uf/2h/50uf. Amp sounds faster and more nimble. Nice.

5/14/15 WE91a. I have bypassed the Wima Cap at C2 in the power supply with four very low value film caps. Too soon to draw any conclusions about sound.
5/31/15 WE91a. New production Audio Note 50uf Kaisei Power supply capacitors have arrived and after a week of burning them in, I have installed them in place of the Wima 50uf and all of those bypass film caps. will see which I like better in a couple of weeks.

6/13/15 WE91a. The New production Audio Note 50uf Kaisei Power supply capacitors have been in my power supply for two weeks - about 100 hours or so of playing time. They have a purity, and a crystal clear clarity that no other cap in the power supply has had. I am going to replace the rest of the PS oils with these to see what happens. Maybe it will be too much- who knows. They dont have too much of a sonic signature. They just sound very free and open so adding a few more may be ok. If not I can put an oil back in.

7/10/15-WE91a. Installed Audio Note Ultra Hi B output transformers today. Will need a few weeks to come around.
9/1/15 - WE91a. The Audio Note Transformers and great with excellent depth and coherence. Added copper shrouds. 
9/25/15 -Western Electric Speaker wire and interconnects. I like the speaker wire better than my Audio Note Lexus copper. More direct. They make the Lexus cable sound soft around the edges and diffuse. The WE Interconnects are very good too. But still learning about there sound.
10/11/15 - WE91a. Took out the 6C6 driver tubes and installed C3m drivers. 

11/28/15 - WE91a. Added Regulation to the Screen of the C3m driver tubes. K&K CCS board and an OD3 glow tube that is puts out 150volts. The C3m driver tube and regulation is an excellent driver of a 300b output tube. Very fast  and dynamic with lots of detail and musicality. I am very happy with the sound of this amp.  Probably not making any more changes for quite a while.

1/1/16 - WE91a I still notice a bit of extra weight in the lower mids so I replaced the last oil cap in the power supply (c-1) with an Audio Note Kaisei 50uf cap.

2/1/16 -WE91a. After adding additional Audio Note Kaisei capacitor to the power supply, the voicing of this amplifier is complete. The power supply is 50uf/5h 30ohm choke/ 50uf and it sounds dynamic fast and clean. With all Kaisei caps in the power supply the lower mids are now more open and that weight I mentioned above is gone. Will rebuild the amp onto a new piece of wood and hide all of the hi voltage parts underneath. Will post pics of the new build as it progresses.

3/10/2016 - WE91a.  New Chassis is finished. The new build features and extremely short signal path and a copper box known as a "faraday cage" which isolates the audio circuit from RF/AC, Cell phones, and other nasty's. The goal here is to eliminate the grid stopping resistors that are usually necessary on many tube grids. In a SET amplifier any extra part effects the sound especially a resistor in series with the grid. They are usually necessary on the C3m grid as well. Without a grid stopper the C3m tube can squeal and make all sorts of other very harmful noises but with my new chassis implementation I have not needed a grid stopper.  If the C3m tubes continue to behave it would be a major step forward. The sound of the amp without a grid stopper is more open free and natural.

4/2/16 - Audio M3 Phono Pre- I had some copper left over from my amp build so I made a 8x6x2 copper box and put the phono circuit inside. Pics added.

5/16- Bought Kondo KSL-LP silver interconnects and am using them with Audio Note Lexus Bi Wire copper speaker cables. After trying various IC's like homebrew WE-16g and Ocellia silver reference and various Speaker cables like WE-16g and 10g and Kondo KSL-SPz, the Kondo KSL-LP silver interconnects with Audio Note Lexus Bi Wire copper speaker cables really bring something special to the table at least to my ears system and room.

9/20/16 Ayon CD07 - put in NOS Raytheon 5687 tubes and after a week of break in they sound tremendous. Transparent mids fast and clean lows and clean extended highs. Better than any tube thus far.

10/2016  WE91a - I removed the 91k bleeder resistor from the last cap in the power supply. I can't believe how much more open, free and transparent the sound is. It's like that bleeder had clamped down on PS and now without it there is more energy coming into the room. Any tonal warmth that had been left in this amp is now gone.

11/2016 WE91a - with the bleeder resistor removed I noticed a tinniness in they high frequencies so I removed the GE 12gauge wire from both the power supply b+ and ground and replaced it with vintage WE 16gauge wire and that tinniness is now completely gone. The WE vintage wire sounds very good just as others have reported.

1/2018 -WE91a. Replaced the Goldpoint 50k stepped attenuator with a Seiden Shunt stepped attenuator loaded with Audio Note tantalum resistors. Its been in for about a month and I am shocked at the change in sound. Extended highs and lows and more lively mids. Huge step up. The highs and mids are so open and beautiful. Powerful bass. A very worthwhile change.

3/2020- WE91a.  Over the past year and one half, experimented with a .22UF Russian vintage cap in the coupling position in place of a duelund .1uf copper cap after growing tired of the  accurate and analytical presentation of the Duelund. The Russian cap did not do anything that I liked even after a year of listening. It was kinda like all the instruments turned the color of grey. I’ve had some Audio Note copper .47uf caps sitting around for a few years so put them in around the first of 2020 so they now have three months on them. 

The AN copper .47uf coupling caps after a two month an up and down ride stopped changing about a month ago. So I’ve been listening for a solid month after they finally settled in.  

I perceive no less detail with them compared to the duelunds but the detail is integrated into a more musical and three dimensional presentation. There are real instruments playing in front of me. Much more texture and dimension. There may be just a bit of glue tying everything together but even with the glue, there is individual instrumental color and tone in spades. A bit more overall warmth and richness.  Keeping in mind that my system has AUDIO NOTE output transformers, speakers, speaker cables, resistors and capacitors, kondo interconnects and an AN IQ lll Cartridge. So I would have thought adding an Audio Note coupling cap would have been to much, but it actually brought everything together in a very nice way.

 I think they might be too much of a good thing in a system that already fills out a three dimensional space but for me they add something lovely and musical that was missing. This reminds me that there is no such thing as the best capacitor or best anything else....

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Room Details

Dimensions: 25’ × 12’  Medium
Ceiling: 9’


Components Toggle details

    • Audio Note UK Audio Note UK AN-e LX HE
    Fun to listen to speakers that do a nice job with most types of music
    • DIY WE91a
    Very natural sound amp with good pacing. Duelund Copper cast caps. Audio Note Ultra hiB Output Transformers. Very short signal path and power supply wiring.
    • DIY Western Electric WE-91A
    Old breadboard

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Bill,
Wow! You've been busy lately with this all out assault preamp project. I look forward to your listening impressions and how it compares to the TRL Dude you have used and admired for many years.

charles1dad

Jet,
Emotionally connecting and natural sound reproduction are what it's all about. I'm glad your latest modification project has propelled you much closer to your desired objective. I can only imsgine how good your music must sound.
Charles,

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Jet,
Shigeki Yamamoto preferred the C3m as the driver tube in his 300b SET amplifiers. He didn't like the popular 6sn7 as a 300b driver, Israel Blume felt the same and instead uses the 6em7 as the driver. As always, there are alternative approaches. I'm interested to read what differences you hear between your 2 driver tubes.
Charles,

charles1dad

Hello Bill,
I understand your rationale for selling the 845 SET amplifier given your back problems and risk of injury to it(heavy amp to move/lift). Based on your success with it I'm somewhat surprised you didn't just declare it as your final amp and just enjoy its thrilling qualities(thus no need to move it around). However reading your many posts over the years I recognize your strong(overwhelming?) desire/curiosity to continuously try other components. Based on your description that 845 seemed like a very "special" amplifier. Best of luck with your new el34 amplifier.
Charles,

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Bill,
The Hashimoto H507 is reputed to be a very good OPT. I recall a discussion on DIY Audio about OPTs a few years ago.
Charles,

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Jet,
You mentioned 3 good choices. I heard a 300b SET that used Electraprint transformers driving Cessaro horn speakers at CES 2014. The sound was superb! Amongst the very best of the entire show regardless of total system cost. There were many more expensive set ups that couldn't match that sound quality. I suspect that the other two brands could do as well as the Electraprint.

charles1dad

Bill,
I thought your 845 tubed SET was more suitable for your particular speaker's sensitivity and load. Are your speakers efficient enough for a 300b SET? I do like your search for premium output transformers, definitely the right priority for a successful SET amplifier. Jet has certainly done it the right way in regards to his 300b SET building/modification evolution.
Charles,

charles1dad

Hi Jet,
You are correct, it's worthwhile to put money into transformers and the power supply quality. This is what separates one SET amplifier from another. This is the last area I'd cut corners in an attempt to save money.
Charles,

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Rob,
Based on my experience with this type of output transformer in my amplifier(Japanese double C core) you are making a very wise and cost effective decision. You'll have no regrets.
Charles,

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Yazaki certainly is an advocate of the "natural musical" sound faction. I wonder what power cable he finds that fits into this highly desirable genre.
Charles,

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Bill,
Yes, that Arizona capacitor will be quite an interesting comparison against your current "gold standard" Jupiter copper foil. This should be much fun as well as enlightening. I'm curious to read your listening/comparison impressions.
Charles,

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Jet,
I certainly trust your listening impressions and you have an exceptionally fine system. I would be very interested to read your comparisons of the low-cost wire versus the highly regarded silver Kondo cable. Given the current hype/praise If the Belden comes even reasonably close this would be a worthy feat in my opinion. Same thought applies to the Western Electric cable in comparison to your Audio Note wires.
Charles,

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Jet,
It sure seems that buying these premium grade Transformers was a very wise and fruitful decision. I believe you and Joe and imagine your system must sound simply terrific and oh so natural 😄
Charles,

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Bill,
Well, that promise not to monkey with the amplifier sure didn't last a long time did it😄😄 . It is understandable, Larry Moore the designer of your amplifier was committed to making an excellent sounding amplifier using off-the-shelf parts and he succeeded in doing so. It seems only logical to me that upgrading the internal wiring and using high-quality capacitors can't help but make a noticeable improvement, we don't blame you for this Bill😃
From your description, it seems that overall this is the most satisfying and enjoyable amplifier you have owned so far. I suspect you will keep this amp for a very long time and enjoy it immensely. So why not fine-tune it and extract the most performance you can from this amplifier?
Charles,

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Jet,
It makes sense to me that Blackgates would work optimally given the makeup of your system. Voicing of components via certain parts to get a desired sound or synergy is common practice. By the same token, using those same black gate capacitors in my amplifier could yield better, worse or just simply different sonic results.
Charles,

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Hi Jet,
I suspect I'd like the sound of a good oil cap power supply. You're doing this the right way by relying on your ears and simply listening. I'd assume that a polypropylene cap sounds better than an electrolytic, but I could certainly be wrong. Some electrolytics may be better than others and Audio Note may be in that category. My amp has power supply polypropylene caps and sounds very organic and real IMO(built to utilize these caps from the beginning so this is likely a major factor for the good result). I do realize that much depends on part quality, design and implementation. It must be fun and satisfying to experiment and listen to the different sonic contributions of these various parts. With this approach you're able to get just the right sound that you desire.
Charles,

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Jet,
Your music must sound utterly natural and emotionally involving given the choices you have made in developing your system.
Charles,

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Bill
if your amplifier is currently using electrolytic capacitors in the power supply I would have to believe there will be a significant improvement in the sound quality with the replacement of those caps. Actually, I would be very surprised if the improvement in sound quality is not considerable. Bill, I believe that despite the already high sound quality from your 845 SET amplifier there's room for significant improvement once you have put your personal upgrades into it.
Charles,

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Meant begin.

charles1dad

These different amps and output transformer comparisons will be interesting to read about. Let the fun began.

charles1dad

Hi Jet,
The Jupiter replaced the stock Solens in my Frankenstein. Jet I do think there's something to be said for the use of natural materials for audio parts/components. The maker of my Ocellia Silver Reference cables is a strong advocate of this approach. He avoids teflon,PVC polyethylene and other synthetic materials. I have absolutely no way to prove this choice better or not. I can say his cables are utterly natural/organic and just sound right to me. Same character as the natural material capacitors under discussion.There are numerous ways to get good sound, this is certainly one of them.
Charles,

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Bill,
Yes, I've written several imes on this forum that both of these capacitors are in the catagory of excellent. When two products reach this level sometimes it's simply splitting hairs and who's ears are doing the listening. Different listeners would of course vary among their preferences. No specific individual's opinion would be declared absolute and the final verdict. Jet put into words the very same qualities that the CAST had on me once placed in my system("natural" is the ultimate praise for an audio product IMO). Could the Jupiters have made the same impressive impact for Jet? Quite possibly yes. My point is he clearly did well by choosing the superb Duelund CAST. I suspect Jet has the same high regard for"natural" as I do.
Charles,

charles1dad

Hi Jet,
I had V caps in my previous preamp and they also came standard in my former (custom built) push pull amplifier. They are premium level capacitors that would be a clear upgrade from the vast majority of caps.

The Duelund CAST is just a "special" and supreme capacitor in my opinion. Jet, you used the word natural repeatedly to describe the sound of the CAST and I completely understand. The word natural really says so much yet it's hard to achieve. Natural trumps neutral(whatever that may be) for my needs. Natural allows the all important emotional connection and deep involvement I find mandatory to enjoy listening to music. Believe me I know exactly where you're coming from and you expressed it well.

I use the CAST in both my DAC and speaker crossover with sublime results, no hyperbole here at all. I decided to try the Jupiter copper foil cap in my Frankenstein and the outcome was excellent. I do wonder if The CAST would be even a bit better, who knows? No capacitor is ideal for every possible application or listener. I can say that the addition of the CAST into my system is a smashing sucess. You'll never 2nd guess or question this choice Jet. Embrace the added musical truth and emotion it provides. You SET must sound heavenly and honest with the CAST in place.
Charles,

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Jet,
I believe you will like them very much.

charles1dad

Hi Jet,
I don't listen to pipe organ much, however the Hammond B3 used in jazz, oh yes. The fullnes, rich body and harmonics are presented marvelously. It feels as though the weight and size of the organ is in the room.Let's face it Jet, the good 300b amps just preserve the emotion and get the music right!Each listening session is just a musical delight.I can tell you enjoy your system as much as I do mine.Life is very good.
Charles,

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Hi Jet,
I had to reply to your astute observation regarding your experience with 300b SET reproduction of guitar tone and harmonics. I realize that we had strayed from the original topic on Edoit's thread. Guitars be they acoustic or electric produce very rich, beautiful and complex harmonic overtones. My SET made this fact very clear to me when initially put in my system. The better quality 300b tubes take it up to an even higher level (Takatsuki, EML for example).

The previous amplifiers I've own couldn't unveil the nuances, shadings and
tonal /timbral layering of guitar chords to the same degree. Jazz guitarists
sound wonderfully involving with a very strong musical emotional
connection that I didn't appreciate with the non SET amplifiers. They were
certainly good but not convincing and realistically engaging as what I hear
routinely now.Wes, Joe Pass, K. Burrell, Barney Kessell, Doug Raney, Mark Whitfield andon and on, their true beauty shines through, what a pleasure they are to listen to and simply enjoy.


Based on your comments yesterday I know that you're experiencing this same deeply satisfying effect with your favorite rock guitarist as well. Just you wrote, the more complex the nusic gets, the better sounding it becomes. Well anyway I have to respond as you really struck a chord (pun intended).
Best Regards,
Charles,

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Hi Jet,
Thanks very much for checking on him. I'm glad to hear he's fine.
Charles,

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Hi Jet,
Have you heard from isochronism(Brett)? haven't seen him post in a while. I hope he's doing okay.
Charles,

charles1dad

Always the ulterior motive brett. Let's hope that Jet is a demanding Drill Instructor (special forces style). Nothing but the best for your cables.
Charles,

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Hi Jet,
Curious to see your impressions of the solid core silver cables. I use this type of cable as well and love them.
Charles,

charles1dad

Hi Jet,
I have read seemingly endless debate regarding AC vs DC heating. AC heating is more common with the lower power 45 and 2A3 tubes. The 300b camp is definitely split and both sides present strong arguments. At this point I've come to believe implementation is the deciding factor. Both approaches can yield sublime sound that good 300b SETs are capable of doing. I would look forward to your personal comparison.
Charles,

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Hi Jet,
It seems you have come to admire the sound of the EML XLS as much as I do. It's certainly one fabulous 300b. They're allowing you AC heating without need for hum pots, sweet!
Charles,

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Tjkurita,
I've heard the Psvane W.E. 845 tubes and they're exceptional, word of mouth says their 101D W.E. is excellent sounding ( I'll find out soon with my preamplifier). I suspect their 300b Replica is also a fine tube as well. I alternate between my Takatsuki and the EML XLS and enjoy them both immensely. The EML is half the cost of the Takasuki but is simply a wonderful sounding 300b. EML XLS vs Psvane W.E. Replica would be very intriguing.
Charles,

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Brett,
Your Sophia Royal Princess are excellent sounding tubes.
The EML XLS is unique in that it's a true premium 300b for well under 1, 000.00 USD per pair, yes 785.00 isn't cheap but they justify with their sound .
Charles,

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Jet,
We have different amplifiers and systems yet your assessment of the tubes are the same as mine. A while back Stawbros3 sent me his Sophia mesh (actually perforated plate, the EML mesh is a true mesh tube) to directly compare to the EML XLS, I found the Sophia pleasantly romatic and sweet. The EML is organic and just sounds right without the need for artificial flavoring. The EML is much superior in dynamics, scale and realism. As you noted it presents larger scale complex music much better in articulation, separation yet retains beautiful liquidity and music continuity.
Charles,

charles1dad

My fellow SET brothers are welcome to visit any time!
Charles,

charles1dad

Hi jetrexpro,
I'm happy to read the EML XLS are working out well in your fine system.
Charles,

charles1dad

Hi Dave,
Thanks for your report, wish TJ could have attended as it seems to have been a fun occasion. I hope you NYC guys are able to arrange more of these get togethers.
Charles,

charles1dad

Yes the RP is better than the very respectable BT. I thought the Takatsuki were there also.

charles1dad

Hi Brett,
Spread the joy and provide some details, were you all able to compare amps or different 300b tubes and what music did you listen to?

charles1dad

I can understand why folks may not want to transport their amplifiers around. My point of interest was the chance for you all to hear different SET amplifiers all well executed yet unique individually with their own presentations. Easy for me to say from here in Michigan I guess.
Charles,

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Elescher,
That's a fantastic opportunity you offer. Tripoint Troy +SET amplifiers =wonderful music reproduction, this is getting better by the moment.
Charles,

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Brett,
That Doshi would be so nice running upstream of those two SET amps, oh the joy!

charles1dad

Hey guys,
Wish I lived nearby as this sounds like it's going to be a lot of fun. I look forward to reading about the listening experiences. Wow, Brett (Isochronism ) could bring his Wavelength Cardinal Signature 300b SET amplifier with the excellent Sophia Royal Princess tubes.
Charles,

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Yep,
I got that CD about 2 years ago and I play it regularly.
Charles,

charles1dad

Jetrexpro, I`d really love to hear yours,Tjkurita, Isochronism and Fort apache`s systems. We all seem to listener to the same type of wonderful music. It`d be fun to hear each other`s systems and enjoy great jazz.Interesting how we have discovered the natural beauty of low power tube amplifiers with higher efficiency speakers.
Charles,

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Jetrexpro,
Thanks for your reply,your description of the Sprague electrolytic caps is just what my builder(Israel Blume)dislikes about electrolytics and he says they`re far less transparent. He selected the 6em7 for it`s high current capability to drive the 300b and says it has far less distortion with this configuration.

I`m a major jazz fan but find myself developing an interest in classical music with this current system.
I have no doubt that your system sounds superb.
Best Regards,

charles1dad

Jetrxpro,
I`m impressed with your amplifier.My amp lacks any electrolytic capacitors(builder much preferred polypropylene in the power supply). What driver/input tube do you use?
Tube or SS rectification?
Is the amp copper or silver wired?
I agree with you, a properly built 300b amplifier with the right speaker match can play all genres of music and do them well.
Regards,

charles1dad

Congratulatons, this seems to be well planned simplicity. I imagine the sound is very organic and realistic. How large is your room? What driver tube does your amp use?

charles1dad