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I have not updated this in more than a year. Finally sold the Sarastro 2s to a friend. The Sarastros were not a good match to my room. The rear firing config. excited the longitudinal mode significantly. They have some non-linearities that I cannot effectively compensate for given my room limitations. This is not to the speaker's fault as they sound much better at my friend's larger listening space. To say the speakers are too big for the room would only be partial truth.

This is not due to lack of effort. I went thru acoustic consulting with Rives and then local expert Bob Hodus. Read up on Handbook of Room Acoustics and Sound reproduction. After the consultations, I did a lot of experiments to improve the room acoustics. Rm is 22'x14' x 10'. Dimensions are not bad but one side wall has windows occupying >2/3 of surface area. There are also a door & a fire place along the mid axis of the room, two walls were interior walls which are less robust in bass reinforcement. Room is at mid level with living space above and below. Previously, after reading the Get better sound book, I had settled for a listening location at 4ft from backwall. This allowed for boundary bass boost which overcame a bass cancellation problem (mid axis, quater wavelength listener to boundary) at 35-40hz. However, primary length mode at 25hz (7db) muddled up the sound. Despite treating the rearwall, the comb filtering effect from the rearwall markedly reduced transpancy and smoothness.

Rives Audio: I went with level 2 consultation and also bought the room measuring kit to allow for repeated measurements along the way. I was quite weary of the actual translation of mathematical modeling into the field. Richard was very helpful in educating me to use ETF and BARE. He was excellent in recommending RPG products, different type of curtains, blinds for different applications. Rives also had all the contruction methods for bass traps and diffusors. Although I preferred the looks of built in traps and diffusors, I went the way of RPG and GIK. My friends had ripped out acoustic constructions that they didn't like and that's just too painful for my wife. Room tuning is complex and requires much trial and error. Base of my previous experiences, I was also worried about resonances of wood diffusors (ceiling and sidewalls). Rives ultimately set the listening location at 9ft from the rear wall. The result was much improved clarity and smoothness along with reduction of room modes. The suckout at 35-40hz is still present but reduced in bandwidth and severity. Richards felt that is acceptable in my case as there is smoothing in human hearing. Bass was flat on psychoacoustic curve on BARE. (I thought this has something to do with combination of gating and smoothing. I could produce a similar curve on Fuzzmeasure when I played with smoothing and gating time.) Rives also had even handed approach in balancing RT 60, freq response, absorption and diffusion.

Bob Hodus: I seeked the help of local expert Bod Hodus in hope of eliminating the suckout entirely and also to provide a second opinion before engaging in a sofit / ceiling construction proposed by Rives. Bob was a pleasure to work with and very willing to educate. His approach was entirely hands on. He focus mainly on frequency response curve and uses absorption mostly. Using continuous test sweep, we went thru inumerable listening locations, reconfiguration of bass traps and speaker locations. At the end of the day, he got rid of the suckout entirely, low bass 20-40hz was linear without boost or suckouts. It is done by sitting 12 ft from the rear wall. THat left me with only 10ft betw me and the front wall, not a lot of room to position the rear firing Sarastros. I was excited with the new result and invited listening group over. All felt low bass was excellent but trade off was made in clarity of midrange as speakers are too close to the wall.

I thought about this for a while and kept rereading the Handbook of Room Acoustics. "Bass is best thought of as waves or pressure zones and high frequencies are more similar to light rays (hence the term specular reflection)." Although my room is symmetric in dimension, the asymmetric construction allowed for the most even bass pressure distribution at the 12 ft point. What if I were to set up the speakers along the opposite wall and check if bass linearity persist at the same spot. Sure enough, the bass alignment remained the same and I got 12ft betw me and my new front wall. This allowed for more room for the speakers to breath. It also prompted me to choose a speaker with no rear wiring port/woofers. I went with the Isis after auditioning Rockport, YG, Magico. I am quite happy with my third pair of Avalons.

After the bass foundation was set, I proceeded to adorn all surfaces and experimented with a few tweaks.

Frontal wall: Tried RPG skylines, hemifusors, abfusors, wood constructed diffusors, BAD Arcs. The wood constructed diffusors were the worst. They diffused effective but they also sounded. THere was marked resonace in 150-200hz range measurable on both Fuzzmeasure and ETF. Subjectively, they were like adding more speakers in the room. They enriched the wood tone during playback. With more of them, the main speakers disappeared as more of these diffusors made sound. This was pleasing for a short while. I think there are marketed room tweaks that work on similar effect. They extend the midrange resonance to balance out the slap echo in the highs and bass boom in many untreated room. The 7inch skylines were very good and produced smooth midrange and treble (largest effective bandwidth). They brought a lot of focus to the center stage if you put them in the center (suggested by Rives). I almost installed them permanently until I played the XLO test disc. It consisted of Bill Johnson walking around the room while percussing a gong. With skylines at the center, he could not walk away from the center but he could walked far away to the side. THe extruding blocks of the skylines were actually vibrating during playback. It was ruining the subtle spatial clues need for proper localization. I suspect the effect would be less if I was further away from the front wall. The hemifusors were better in this regard as there are no extruded blocks to vibrate. The BAD ARCs were the best as they were combination tools (absorb + diffuse). The soundstage was the most organized and yet able to portray variations in depths. Abfusors were almost as good but why pay more for the same thing. I later constructed a dome with 3 to 4 BAD ARC panels of varying curvature and width to be placed at the center. This dome pushed the centerstage forward and increased focus ( effect can be modified by changing width and curvature). I could see why so many rooms have this. This did not work for me as I was quite close to the speakers (8 ft). I ended up with three panels evenly spread out in front.

Sidewall: Tried aborption panels first. They decreased reflections and created more focused but smaller soundstage in comparison to the diffusors. They decreased the amplitude of the reflections as seen on the ETF impulse response but the reflections were still very focused in the time domain. With combo tools like BAD ARCs, the reflections were decreased in amplitude and also spreaded out over time. It tricked the ears into thinking the boundaries were farther away. Not treating the first reflection point of the ipsilateral speaker created a wide soundstage in a different way. The sound source appeared wider but price was paid on impulse response and soundstage specifity. Treating the 1st reflection of the contralateral speaker was just as important as the ipsilateral reflection point. The crosstalk was reduced. ie, the left ear heard less of the right speaker.

Backwall: I used a few RPG skylines to great effect. The slight resonance is no longer an issue as they are behind me and ten feet away. Later, I tried 5 columns of Ikea expedit shelfs positioned in at an angle. This worked even better with better bandwidth. Depth was increased to 12inch and area of coverage was increased. I had two very narrow band suckout(less than one sixth octave) from only the left speaker at 50 Hz and 110Hz. These completely disappeared after installing the Ikea shelfs. Only part of each shelf was filled with a mix of cds and LPs to maximize the diffusive effects. One drawback, they increased midbass reverb at 60-80hz via combination of blocking the fire place, altering overall room acoustics and there own resonances. I had to increase bass traps at the corner.

Ceilling: Very important yet frequently overlooked area. Before treating the ceiling, the soundstage would rise when orchestra went full tilt (Similar effect to broadening of sound source). Hemifusors and skylines were similar in effect. When they fell off, hemifusors survived much better as there were no extruded blocks to be broken. One of my more embarressing moments when hosting. Lucky it did not land near the tonearm during play. I had considered doing suspended wood panels or maybe acrylic panels. After having the Expedit shelfs increased bass reverbs, I am not going that route on the ceiling. Just imagine if a wood panel came loose from the ceiling.

Bringing it together: All these traps, diffusers, combo tools are used to optimize soundstage, impulse response and frequency response. They frequent have unintended effect on reverb at a particular bandwidth. The soft diffusors were great as they did not make sound of their own. However, they markedly curtailed the high frequencies (>10khz) reverbs as they increased soft surface area of the room significantly. Large hard surface adds resonance of their own and alter room acoustics. Attention needs to be paid to maintain RT60 in an even handed manner. This is at least as important as freq response curve. As the RT60 trends down for a higher resolution sound, it is very easy to kill the high frequencies and quite difficult to bring down mid and low bass reverb.. At one point, my system sounded lean in bass. I had five large removable wood panels installed to block off all windows in the room and installed a 2 inch solid wood door with soundproofing. Surprising, the amplitudes of the room modes and bass alignment are not significantly different but the RT 60 at the bass 40-80hz were drastically prolonged. The noise floor of the room dropped to 40 db but it was like a tomb. The bass was muddy and standing waves were very problematic. In this exercise, I learnt that at least in my situation, the room dimensions governed the amplitude and freq. of the modal response but the degree of reverb is largely controlled by the structure. It is very hard to paaively trap mid and low bass reverb (

I am sure my experiments and observations are flawed. Feel free to point out any deficiencies so I can learn and benefit.

Speakers previously owned: B&W 805, JM lab Diva BE, Avalon Opus Ceramique, Thiels, Harbeths, Quad 2805, Avalon Diamond, Verity Sarastro 2

Amps previously owned: Boulder 1060, Vac phi 300.1, Jadis DA88S, Pass lab X350.5, Naim 250.2, ASL 1009 and ASL hurricane, Mcintosh 275.... etc. Heard in my sytem: ML432, Lamm M2.2, etc/

Preamp previously owned: ARC Ref3, Ref 5, BAt 51se, Naim 282. Heard in my system:,Shindo, Halcro

Previous Phono: AYre px5e; ARC PH7, ASR exclusive 2010. Heard in my system: Lamm, Nagra VPS, Shindo, Halco, Allnic

Previous carts: Zyx Universe, airy; My Sonic lab ultraeminent, airtight PC1. Heard in my system: Goldfinger, PC1 supreme

Previous tonearm: Graham 2.2, Davinci 12", triplanar 7

Previous tables: SME 20/2; Avid Acutus

Here is my opinion and preference about different carts that have gone thru my system. Just opinions and I am no expert. My preference is limited by my ability to setup (sub)optimally and by phonostage matching.

My preference in carts have changed and current favourites are Lyra titan i and dyna v1T.

Zyx Universe: Very refined and detailed but not enough macrodynamics and bass.

Airtight PC1/Supreme: Most amount of bass. A little on the warm side. Played well on all three arms, worked well with tube + ss phono. Sounds good with many different loading. Lacked a little detail and refinement comparing to other top carts. The supreme is slightly more refined comparing to the regular PC1. Slow transients.

My Sonic Lab Ultraeminent: This used to be my favourite cart.. More detailed and energetic than the Airtight line up. Quantity of bass is less but quicker. Excellent bass power carried into the decay. Transient attack is not as fast as XV1T or Titan I and perhaps not as open sounding. In combination with the Davinci, it conveys the most ambient info and float the soundstage best.

Dynavector XV1T: I think this is the most neutral cart.. Faster transient attack than MSL/AT and more open sounding. Bass is impactful with less energy in the decay. I like this one on the phantom best. On the Davinci, the midrange is marginally richer (maybe wood wand) but the lightening transient and focus were attenuated.

Titan I: My number one cart after finding an excellent match with DV 507 arm. Fast and open like the XV1T (both stiff body contruction) but with even better grip on the Bass. The transient changes on double bass is very well portrayed from the attack to the decay. It portrayed wide tonal and macrodynamic contrast and make the performance very exciting. More focused and controlled than PC1. To my surprise, I never find it bright when properly adjusted. In terms of setup, the window of optimal performance may be small but not too hard to arrive at. You know when u get this one wrong. I like this less on the Davinci & phantom. The triplanar and Davinci adds a little warmth and roundedness that it does not need. The Graham could not control resonance as well and had a little top end glare. With the 507mk2, the heavy arm and flux damping dissipate the energy perfectly. Just all the glories, nothing more and nothing less.

Coralstone: I never intended to get this one because of the warm fuzzy reputation of Koetsu. My dealer offer a partial trade deal and I could not resist. Another surprise, it is very detailed with a fluid midrange and extended topend. Bass power is slightly less than Titan/ultraeminent but not too fat behind. Only have this on the Phantom so far. Very difficult to align because the stone block my line of sight. I probably have not optimize this one due to neck spasm. It is also better played on an arm with Azimuth adjustment to minimize crosstalk.

Goldfinger v2: Another excellent cart.. Very limited experience but a friend was kind enough to bring it over for a spin. Similar sound to the MSL. Heaviest cart i have handled.
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Components Toggle details

    • TW Acustic Raven AC
    3 motor
    • Esoteric X 01 Limited
    CD/SACD
    • Graham Engineering Phantom 2
    Unipivot
    • Einstein The tube Mk 2
    Linestage
    • Einstein TT Choice
    phono
    • Luxman M800a
    Two as monoblocks
    • Stealth Indra
    XLR
    • Studer A810
    Reel to reel
    • Finite Elemente Reference double width
    I will not spend this much on a stand again
    • Grand Prix amp stand
    not bad
    • Avalon Acoustics Isis
    Isis
    • Dynavector 507mk2 SE
    black
    • Lyra Titan i
    stereo
    • Lyra Kleos
    stereo
    • Dynavector XV1 T
    cart
    • Minus K BM 8
    0.5hz
    • RPG skylines, hemifusors, BAD ARC
    diffusors
    • fuzzmeasure 10ft from wall behind listener
    8ft from speakers
    • fuzzmeaure 7-8ft from wall behing listener
    10ft from speakers
    • fuzzmeaure 4ft from wall behind listener
    15-16ft from speakers
    • Spiral Groove SG2
    Centroid

Comments 111

Ha! You gotta teach me how to wear out mine :) Love the M-800A BTW. I heard it mated with Sonus Faber Cremona Ms fed by a DCS Paganini stack and a CJ CT-5 pre. It was sweet and beautiful. I bet your rig sounds even better though!

eugene81

Owner
Thanks for your kind words. It was somewhat of a nightmare for my wife but I have worn her out thru the years : )

glai

Very impressive. An audiophile's dream and a wife's worst nightmare!

eugene81

Glai,
The impedance issue is only with tube preamps, solid state should be fine as far as I know.

Adding the buffer solved my problem 100% and is invisible in the system. I know of two buffers, Musical Fidelity is single ended only (RCA ) at a very reasonable price through Upscale Audio. If you need XLR and RCA Tom Tutay can build one like I have for a little more.

At this moment I'm running the JL under the Dali, set for 35-40 Hz with 12 DB per octave. After some experienced listening and break in I'll put a network in front of the Dali woofer amp to roll bass and then match up the JL again.

albertporter

Owner
Albert,

Thanks for the comment. I read your thread frequently and really appreciate your various experiments and tweaks. I hope you will find happiness with the JL subs. I was about to put in an order for two F113 and then read about input imped issues in your thread. Are you rolling off the bottom end of the dali when crossing to the subs or running them to augment?

glai

Great looking system and what a journey to get where you are today. I need to hear the My Sonic based on what you've posted here.

I had the Einstein pieces in my system a few months ago, stunning resolution and easy on the eye. I also own a Koetsu Coralstone, a wonderful cartridge.

Glad I discovered your system, followed you from a post where you ask about Tailoring tweeter output.

albertporter

Owner
Changster, I sometimes think I could be happier with Rockports. The ASR is transparent, neutral and very extended in the bass. It does not have the rich midrange of the Allnic. I feel the ASR is slightly more detailed than the Einstein phono and more neutral. The Einstein phono has very strong macrodynamics but slightly lean in my system. I am surprised because I use the Einstein linestage.

Jfrech, I tried the cerabase under the rack and prefer it without.

glai

Glai, fantastic system you got there.

How do you like the asr basis exclusive 2010? Any comparisons you can give versus your experience with other phono stages? I think we have very similar tastes and budget as I am running a similar setup except with Rockports.

Btw I finally did audition the Verity Sarastro 2's as well. Very impressive. I can totally see why you chose them over Rockports given your room. You can also definitely tell the audiotechnology midrange comes from the same camp as the Rockports

Thanks!

changster

These new Purist Protues Provectus Praesto revision are really killer. I even replaced a 20th Anniversary xlr interconnect with PPP. It's that good in my system.

You know, I don't know what the difference on the tonearms are. Mine just says version VII ultimate II. Maybe I'll post this, surely someone else knows.

Thanks !

jfrech

Owner
Dgad: You system is awesome. Black Night is mind blowing and I especially like you suspension system. I don't know if you recall. You have previously helped me with your advice on cartridges too. I don't know how to account for our differences on the PC1 but if we could agree on everything else, that is a minor miracle on the Audiogon. Allaerts, ortofon and Benz are the few I have not tried yet. Can you recommend a particular brand of LED magnifying lens? I currently use the 5 & 10 times lupe from mint lp but very hard to implement with Koetsu.

Jfrech: Love your Maxx3s. I share your opinions on the Purist vs Stealth phono cable too and I am getting more & more Purist cable in my system. I have the triplanar 7 (not U2) and Phantom 2 ( no bubble). The triplanar generally is a warmer, more fluid sounding and the Graham has more focus with cleaner bass and faster transient. They are equally easy to adjust as far as VTA, VTF and overhang. The azimuth on Graham is a bit easier as it is magnetic. The triplanar needed to be unclamped and reclamped. During reclamping, small rotation occurs and needs to be anticipated for. As far as Lyra goes, I am with most folks prefering the Graham. Lyra is very lively and benefit from fine tuning with damping fluid for resonance control. Triplanar arm plays best with no damping. At the same time, I feel the triplanar's performance is less hindered by suboptimal Azimuth adjustment as it is gimbal bearing.

What is the difference betw the 7 and the 7U2?

glai

Very nice system. I have the same finite elemente stand, the cerabases under the entire stand make a major improvement. I'd really suggest this (just a pain to unload and load your equipment), I feel it's almost a requirement for our stands.

You're one of the few that own both the graham and the triplanar arm, any comments on the arm diff? I have Tri 7 u2, with a Lyra Skala currently. Lot's of graham enthusiasts...especially with Lyra's.

Dgad, hi! i'll post this on your system to, my dealer and I were just talking about the Allaerts, I may be curious on this one day

jfrech

Glai,

Thanks for pointing me to your system page. Nice setup & lots of experience. We differ a little as I found the PC-1 a touch bright compared to the Titan i. Wonder why? Anyhow, re: the Koetsu setup. Yes it is a pain. Nice thing I added to my setup arsenal are different LED lit magnifying glasses for reading. Helps see below. 2,3,4,& 5 times maginification. Lots of fun and useful for other things as well. Cost me a whopping $50 for all 4 online.

As for the MSL, I am tempted. It sounds like my style of cartridge. You seem to have most of the same impressions as me except for what I listed above. Mind you I love my Titan i, but my Koetsu replacement is an Allaerts MC1B mk 2 which I love equal to the Titan i. I need to try the Allaerts on a few more arms but it is so happy on the Breuer.

dgad

Owner
System edited: Added Coralstone, ASR 2010, replaced L4000 with Einstein the tube linestage, ARC Ref 5. PC1 and XV1T gone.

glai

Owner
Gerry,

If you are interested to listen, shoot me an email off line. I think we are not too far away.

glai

Thank you again!

Actually one might say the Basis 2500 Signature is really excellent and is wholely true to music, but the Basis 2500 Signature is one tier below the TW-Acustic AC-1 at retrieving the whole music presentation in every parameter. I could have lived with the Basis Sig. quite happily, but once the TW got in my system I could immediately hear the music improvement and I enjoyed everything more. I just sat down and played one Lp after another. I'll do a review on the TW after 2-3 months of careful listening. Now, it could be just because I have something new vs my old reference, but this TW is damn good.

I'm really interested in your further thoughts on your cartridges. Especially the Coralstone and how it stacks up against your favorites.

I'm OCD in one or two aspects. I've done some thinking on the three arm set up I have in mind because of my playing habits listening to great music (Classical, Jazz, Blues and female vocals) and then a quirk of comparing mono and stereo LPs music results from a consistant point of view. I'm lazy.
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I. Two arms (the same brand and type) for stereo and mono with setups done. I want to get away from getting up and changing an arm/cartridge wand , VTA, VTF, etc. So I start with one cartridge brand with stereo and mono versions.

Canidates are: Dynavector XV-1t, XV-1s mono; Koetsu Coralstones Mono and Stereo; Da Vinci Grandezza, etc. Your sugestions are welcomed
One arm for a variety of cartridges.

II. Arm canidates are TW Acustic, Graham Phantom, Da Vinci Grandezza 12" tonearm; Schroder Reference 12" Ebony Tonearm" or SME 312s to use on a variety of cartridges

gerrym5

Owner
Gerry,

You have tons of nice toys as well. I think you need two tables with two arms each. Each additional arm on the same table introduce a new level of difficulty with ergonomics. I have a real tough time sticking my big head in between two arms while looking thru ten times lupe. ABsolutly backbreaker.

You have so many interesting choices. I would be very tempted on the Cobra (so much buzz but so expensive) or TW arm (we like the table). Graham is great arm but two grahams are overkill as they have exchangeable arm wands ( I find the VTA and VTF pretty repeatable, azimuth marking are too coarse).

I recently got the Coralstone because I need to trade something in. I am surprised to find myself liking it so much. Not slow or fuzzy at all. Very detailed with clean transient. Bass is not up to titan or xv1T standard but not too far behind. I was told the stone body ones sound similar.

I like both the titan and XV1T best on the Phantom (over triplanar & Grandezza). Both carts have great transient attack and detail, slightly less decay or texture comparing to ultraeminent BC. I thought the Davinci arm would add some texture to make a perfect combo. It actually did just that but it also softened the presentation a bit. The relative weakness (purely subjective) of these carts were remedied but the strengths were also abated. Just make for a less memorable experience.

My favourite combo is Davinci with ultraeminent BC. This combo floats the soundstage best and convey the most ambient info about the recording space. Transient attack not as fast as the other two but follow up with a punch.

PC1 and the supreme do pretty well on both the above arms + triplanar. These have the most quantity in bass but a little less refined or detailed than the above.

Only tried Koetsu with Phantom so far. Sounds good so far but I see large woofer excursion. May be low compliance cart + low effective mass are pushing the resonant frequency higher. Will try Davinci or triplanar next.

Really subjective at this level, my friends have different favorities amoung them.

What do you think of the Basis comparing to TW?

glai

Great system! I especially like the TT front end. Which cartridge performs better in which arm? I'm trying to decide on a 2nd arm for my TW. I'm down to TW Arm, SME 312S, or Cobra, or and 2nd Graham for the monos.

My Cartridges:
Koetsu Onyx Platinum
DV DRT XV-1t
DV DRT XV-1mono
Lyra Titan Mono

After looking at the cartridges I might need three arms.

Any advice on cartridges or arms?

ciao,
GerryM5

gerrym5

Your system is great and I especially love the TW setup with a Phantom II and Grandezza 12'.

gerrym5

Owner
Thanks for the kind words, C1ferrari and Rugyboogie.

I don't have any great links on the Fuzzmeaure but just read the SMUG forum . There are technical support that answer your question in a timely manner.

I did not directly compare the Grand Prix to Finite Elemente. When I get the amps off the ground onto the GPA, there is increased clarity and I was quite happy with the improvement.

I used to have a Steve Blinn rack which also got me more clarity from my old $300 rack. I went from a Steve Blinn rack to the Finite Elemente. I expected drastic difference due substantial expense. I could not hear a significant difference and was a little disappointed. Dealer and some friends suggested I need cerabase under the rack. Currenty, I just use the cones that come with the rack. Dealer also suggest a heavy kit for the system due to high weight of the system. Maybe I will try those tweaks in the future.

glai

Hi Glai
What a great name for your system, very nice sounding set up I am sure.
Saw the raven table at the Audio Gallery in Oswego Oregon. Very nice indeed.
How do you compare the Grand Prix Audio to the Finite Element stands.
Luckily for me have learned as I do every day something new, for me it's the fuzzmeasure for my Mac. Very interesting stuff. Any links that you can forward to me ?
Now to read what I can about the Fuzz...........
Thanks

rugyboogie

Great subject heading...I'm very interested in utilizing test equipment to inform room set-up as well as instruct. As you have so elegantly stated, "Always learning". I bet your room/system sounds spectacular...congratulations!

c1ferrari

Thanks for entertaining replies.
after some playing around I can agree on the single wire versus bi-wire and upper/lower cabinet experiences with some reservations as to acoustics/preferences.
the true bi-wire is recommended, though no dramatic things here. what occurs is a star earth situation to the poweramp. and also this way the bass section does not 'interfere' with upper module be it electrically or time-domain related. the less contact bridges and solder joints the better too. but I agree a true double wire run gets expensive. good to share & agree on those experiences.
I would never use different brands and/or spkr cable lenghts anytime.

With the high sensitivity of both Sarastro and Lohengrin it is very tempting -and big fun!- to hook up all types of small tubeamps.
I have a very large room which is fully acoustically measured & treated, so no limits on SPL's.
with a tube amp sporting VU meters it is pretty amazing to see that in practice only one (1) watt will actually be enough for listening level. not overly loud, but surely loud enough.
so the much discussed 'it's the first watt' is applicable once again.
if I would need to characterise the Verity experience one word immediately comes up: Endless with capital E. no matter what amp you connect, this message of no limits, no boundaries, instant pure enjoyment and wholeness. how utterly obvious soundwise the amp in question may be.

Must be cautious here to not rave on and on, but might as well do, cause it's Verity time.

With some email discussion going on between Sarastro / Lohengrin owners the trick is to get the woofer playing in tune with the upper part. the bass section is capable of moving great amount of air and a 20 hertz flat is not a marketing story with Verity. any 5 watt tube amp MAY apply, but in practice only the very potent ones will do. those Wavac 805's are very capable indeed, not even mentioning the king: 833. wish I'd never heard those.. don't say I didn't warn you LOL.
bi-amp option will be very interesting too, it is no mere coincidence Verity demo-ing with 4 VPA Nagra..

yes Aygro, there is nooo waaay back once you get used to those ribbons!
cheers, keep spinning.

tuboo

Thanks Glai! I will source these items and get to measuring my room!

Ed

theaudioassociation

Owner
Tuboo and Argyro,

Many thanks for the encouraging comment. I enjoy the Sarastro 2 much. I previously own JM lab, Avalon and the Sarastro comfortable exceed them in musical pleasure. No regrets here.

Argyro: I have not tried the petite so no opinions here. How do you think Tidal compare to Verity?

Tuboo: I have listened to the Lohengrin a few times and there is more transparency and stunning dynamics in the bass. Do you think it will overload my room: 22x14x10ft? How big is your space and have you heard Lohengrin in a mid size room I have talked to Verity about this and they think Sarastro is the biggest one that my room can tolerate. Both Avalon and Rockport feel the room can use the Isis or Altair.

Eddie,

I use a Behringer 8000, Art dual pre with the Fuzzmeasure

glai

Hello Glai!

Can you tell me the associated equipment you're using with Fuzzmeasure? Mic? Mic Mixer, etc?

Thanks!

theaudioassociation

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