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This system, with 60 comments, is already up under my old Audiogon moniker - Fplanner2000. I've had to duplicate it since they wouldn't let me attach it to my new moniker - fplanner2010.

I started this hobby about 8 years ago and have subsequently gone a bit nuts turning my living room into a pretty nice 2-channel and HT setup. When I first posted this system on 10-4-06, it didn't have very much of what is currently there now. (Actually, all that remains are the Gray conditioner, the sub and Sunfire amp!!)

I have done all the upgrades I had been contemplating 3 years ago (plus a number of others for various reasons), and the dogs have been surprisingly cooperative in not taking out any tubes. With the latest addition of the APL Super-DAC prototype, I am pretty much exactly where I had hoped to be when I started this 8 years ago. FINALLY!!

I'd like to thank all my friends and acquaintances here on Audiogon for your help and guidance along the way. I never would have gotten this far this quickly without your help, suggestions and shared wisdom. I am totally appreciative.

I don't anticipate any more changes anytime real soon, but in this hobby, you really NEVER KNOW!! I'm going to CES in 3 weeks, so we'll see what happens. I'm definitely interested in exploring computer integration and would love to have my 1000+ CDs on a big hard-drive, but we'll see....

Thanks again and your comments are welcome.
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    • Valve Amplification Company VAC Statement 450 Monoblocks
    WOW. Not broken in yet
    • Valve Amplification Company Signature IIa Preamp
    Added 7308's 2/12 replacing noisy 6dj8's - incredible soundstage and sonic extension. Unbelievable!!
    • Esoteric/APL 32-bit NWO-M Transport/DAC
    SOTA digital. 20 2nd generation 32-bit AKM DACs/side, double tube Class-A output stage, 96/211 upsampler, etc.
    • Von Schweikert Audio VR-7SE w/Mk 2 upgrade
    Total internal re-wire w/Delphi wire, new mid-range drivers and V-Cap bypass mods to mids, tweets and super-tweets.
    • Pro ELITE 70 inch LCD w/full Local Dimming
    Product of a 2.5 yr project between Pioneer and Sharp engineers to build the BEST in the world w/o economic constraints. Came out several months ago in 60" and 70"; 2 yr 3 mo. factory wty. Expensive but amazing so far. Goes FAR beyond Sony XBR, my prior reference, in many noticeable areas.
    • Oppo BDP-95
    Video processing to 3D plus all latest Audio Codecs
    • Integra DHC-80.2 HD Processor
    All the latest codecs for movies.
    • Velodyne DD-15+ Subwoofer
    A nice upgrade from the prior DD-15
    • Synergistic Research TESLA Reference Subwoofer cables(2)
    Best I've ever had on my sub.
    • Synergistic Research Galileo Speaker Cells
    Speaker tweeker - really opens up the speakers for an even more organic and visceral "you are there" presentation. A pleasant surprise.
    • Synergistic Research Element Series C-T-S ics
    Copper-Tungsten-Silver 1m rca ICs between APL and preamp. Increased clarity, deeper and wider soundstage, better imaging and focus.
    • Synergistic Research Apex Tesla ICs & bi-wire Spkr cable
    A revelation for my system
    • Synergistic Research Precision Reference XLR ICs
    Perfect between Preamp and amps. Tried pure silver, but lost the body of the Prec Ref.
    • Synergistic Research 3 Hologram A and 2 Hologram D PCs
    Improved dynamics and imaging. A's on both amps and preamp.
    • Synergistic Research D-3 Digital IC cable
    Best digital cable from Transport to DAC I have found at any price.
    • Acrolink Mexcel Digital BNC
    Great digital cable for the clock - made for Esoteric.
    • Legacy Audio Focus 20/20 rear speakers
    Full range and great for movies
    • Legacy Audio Silver Screen Center speaker
    Blends really well with the VSA fronts
    • Magnum Dynalab MD-108T Triode tuner
    Best tuner I've found. Replaced a Sansui modded 9900, which I still have.
    • Finite Elemente Cerapucs under UX-1 & Preamp
    Tightens up the presentation.
    • Digital Systems Ultrabit Platinum Disc Treatment
    The best I've found to help my CDs sound their best and remove scratches.
    • Richard Gray 400s AC filter
    Auxiliary outlets
    • Dedicated 20 amp lines
    One of my best investments
    • Billy Bags Pro Rack
    6 3/4" cracked glass shelves
    • Billy Bags Pro modified Component Center
    Modified by Billy Bags

Comments 156

Owner
New pics

fplanner2010

Owner
PMD = Pretty Much Done

:-)

fplanner2010

Owner
Seems like its probably time for some new pics, as almost everything is different now.. Hopefully this weekend.

fplanner2010

Owner
Took us what seemed like FOREVER to replace all the internal wiring of the 7's, as well as the mid-range drivers. There were a lot more connections to be made than we had anticipated.

Initial sound was pretty rough as everything was new, so I ran the system overnite and again this am - total of about 12 hours so far. Sound seems cleaner with less "grunge" - there will apparently be a bunch more break-in required, especially in the wiring going to the bass drivers. Seems like I have lost some of bass "slam" - hoping that's due to the new, heavier gauge wiring to the bass drivers that has to break in? On strong bass tracks, bass is tighter, but not quite as energized as before. Since that is one of the characteristics I really like about the 450's, I hope it comes back QUICKLY!!

The midrange driver seems to be a big improvement over what I had before, and even though they were broken in a bit by Damon, system breakin will definitely be required. At first the midrange really stood out, but with every passing hour, its blending better with the other drivers. There is more info coming out and better imaging already, as well as soundstage depth, which is encouraging at this early stage, if I understand the break-in process correctly.

Overall, I am pretty pleased with the results so far, with the expectation that as the wires and mids break-in, the hints of greatness I'm occasionally hearing will become a regular occurrence. I'll probably continue to run the system overnite as there appears to be a pretty substantial positive effect by doing so.

Any comments or advice welcomed.

fplanner2010

Owner
Sorry... :-)

fplanner2010

Congrats! I guess I won't be buying those of you darn it :)

dev

Owner
450's arrived 2 days ago. WOW. System has been off for 3 weeks - nice to hear music again. Different league than my 300.1s already - more power(obviously), clarity, detail and finesse. Musicality is pretty much off-the-charts and break-in has barely started. Bass slam has also increased noticeably, but in a good way. My VR-7s are happy and about to get a bunch happier ........

VR-7 internal re-wire with VSA SOTA Delta wire and mid-range upgrade/replacement scheduled for this Sat. :-)

fplanner2010

Owner
In addition to rewiring my 7's with Delphi wire from VSA, Albert called today and suggested I change out the midrange drivers as well. They have come up with basically a plug-n-play version of their new midrange driver that goes into the Mk2 upgrade for the VR-9's and VR-11's. It doesn't involve any more crossover mods than I've already done and when combined with the wiring upgrade and bypass caps already done, will in effect give me 99% the MK2 upgrade for my 7's. (He said MK2 badges would also be included)

Needless to say, I said yes and should have the VSA wire and mids, etc. within 2 weeks. This should to address my growing concern that my speakers would become the weakest part of my system with the arrival of the 450's. These changes will basically upgrade my speakers to the best of current VSA technology, according to Albert, which should sound pretty decent. :-)

fplanner2010

Owner
Roscoeiii - Thanks for the response. While I'm sure the other VSA speakers are quite nice, my Legacy center and rears as well as a Velo dd-15+ give me all the HT performance I could possible want and I am not looking to replace any of them. It has taken literally years to come up with this combination that I really like. Thanks anyhow and good luck.

fplanner2010

Very nice system. I am new to the Von Schweikert family. Got a pair of VR-4 Gen IIs in a big 7 speaker Von Schweikert HT package. No room for the other 5 HT speakers though. Add @gmail to my username and shoot me an e-mail if you might be interested in a full VSA HT set-up to go with the VR-7SEs.

roscoeiii

Owner
Thanks Sam and Dev -
I can't wait to hear how they control my VSA VR-7se's with the bypass caps mod. I will also be replacing the internal speaker wire with the new Delphi high-end wire VSA is now using.

I ordered a silver pair as I liked the look better than black for my room. I will keep your suggestion in mind Dev, but please don't hold your breath!! :-)

Thanks again for your comments. "The Wait" continues.... :-)

fplanner2010

Congrats! You are going to be very happy indeed :)

What finish did you get? Would love to hear my speakers bi-amped with these :)so if you got a silver pair and don't like them let me know

dev


Congrats! Sounds like a positive development all around :)

Best,
Sam

c1ferrari

Owner
Both 300.1s sold to good homes and I know the buyers will love them. 450s probably ready to ship to me next week. Definitely a "Christmas in July"-type feeling! I still can't believe I am actually getting these..... hope I like them :-)

fplanner2010

Owner
Getting calls on the 300.1s, however they are still available as of tonite, 6/13. Will probably sell this weekend - thanks for your interest and support. 450's are about 3 weeks out.

fplanner2010

Owner
All REASONABLE offers considered :-)

fplanner2010

Owner
Well, I've FINALLY done it -- Statement 450's ordered. My Pristine VAC 300.1's are now for sale to a good audio home. Please pm me if interested.

fplanner2010

Owner
Had lunch w/ Kevin and Brent in Sarasota yesterday. Very close to ordering a pair of Statement 450's. :-)

fplanner2010

Owner
Jeff - ThAnks for the kind words. I recently, very reluctantly, traded my DNA to another a'gon member for a bunch of high- end cables. He got a great deal. If you find 1, you won't be disappointed! Sorry about that....

fplanner2010

Hi Fplanner. Great system. I don't know how to contact you directly, so please excuse me for jumping in here. I am very interesting in finding a DNA 500 for new newly acquired (used) Revel Salon 2 speakers. If you have any interest in selling yours, I am a very interested buyer!!! Thanks much. Also, curious if you've heard the Cary 500mb or Levinson 532h along your path (an enviable path indeed)? Best regards...Jeff

jeffkad

Owner
Are you asking about the Speaker cells?

fplanner2010

I'd like to learn more about your cabling, namely SR Galileo components.

thesaint519

Owner
Hi Bob P -
Congrats on your VAC. There are tons of places to get tubes - I have always gotten mine from Brent Jessee at audiotubes.com. Phone is 847-496-4546. Its very easy to get overwhelmed when you start out with tube rolling - Brent made it very easy for me and I couldn't be happier with the tubes he has recommended and i have gotten from him.

He will also explain to you the 7308's come in all flavors and price ranges, so in most cases, you get what you pay for. I'd give him a call see what he says. Please stay in touch so we hear what you end up doing.

Take care.

Harve

Harve

fplanner2010

Fplanner: I have a VAC Phi Beta pre; with the recent upgrade to allow tube rolling. I just had a bad tube in my stock 6DJ8; and changed my first tube ever! Now my right channel is putting out beautiful music. Where can you recommend I purchase a matched set of the 7308's...glad to hear that you think they are a big step up from the stock VAC tubes...I am new to this tube swapping and need some friendly advice.
Thanks.
Bob P

mribob

Owner
Newest meaningful change - replaced SR Apex 1m ic between Esoteric source and VAC preamp with SR CTS ic (copper-tungsten-silver), gray bullets. WOW.

Sound stage immediately got wider and deeper. Imaging got noticeably better and the system got more musical. One of my audio friends heard the exact same thing. Bass changed a bit as well, becoming more clear but less pronounced. In other words, the entire presentation got more balanced. The PRAT factor also took a big jump up.

I was concerned about losing some bass, an area where the Apex excels, but so far that has not been the case. Its still there, but its faster and better defined - the notes are more true to the actual presentation and more 3-dimensional.

This CTS ic is just a demo, but I will be getting 1 for real shortly from John at the Cable Company. It has made a very positive difference in my system, much more so than I could have ever imagined, as I finally incorporate some of the new technology from the SR Element Series. No desire to add more CTS cabling - it would definitely be overkill at this point, IMHO. I would quantify this change as about a 1.5 component upgrade, literally. Didn't think I would get such a profound, positive result from this cable - a very pleasant surprise. I guess you never know until you try. :-)

fplanner2010

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